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  1. CloverDragon03

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Well isn't Shiki's rating literally because she uses the Root? Or even just being the Root itself? So Shiki and the Root are kinda one and the same
  2. CloverDragon03

    "We found our flame, we are undefeatable warriors" Sonic the hedgehog Skill Thread CRT

    From the sound of things, some of the characters that were given Extraordinary Genius (such as E-123 Omega) were supposed to have Genius combat intelligence, not Extraordinary Genius, so I'm not sure what changed Zik and Zavok are kind of their own thing, so idm either way. Based on the feats...
  3. CloverDragon03

    "We found our flame, we are undefeatable warriors" Sonic the hedgehog Skill Thread CRT

    Omegabronic changed it to Extraordinary Genius for E-123 Omega after you applied a Genius rating...
  4. CloverDragon03

    Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2 (Clover Edition): Mainline Game Scaling

    That's a pretty ridiculous way to look at it considering... They were still taking those hits pretty damn well, once again including a Cosmog explosion at point-blank
  5. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    Yeah, it should be specified that all of Natsu's 5-A stuff is restricted. Because, uh... Yeah that would make this a one-shot
  6. CloverDragon03

    Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2 (Clover Edition): Mainline Game Scaling

    I think it's kinda disingenuous to say Elio/Selene was "helpless" against the Spearow - they were defending Cosmog, not trying to attack the Spearow, and they were holding up quite well. In fact, Cosmog let out an explosion that caused the Spearow to flee (at least I think it caused them to)...
  7. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    It still works in his normal state, just not to a degree that lets him burn concepts and time itself
  8. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    Even normally it’s comparable to lightning in temperature, if we’re going by his profile
  9. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    Tbf that (I’m assuming you mean during early 100YQ) was because he was already underwater, so he couldn’t even ignite his fist to begin with
  10. CloverDragon03

    Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2 (Clover Edition): Mainline Game Scaling

    Yeah, best to save that for the general discussion thread or even another created thread. This is about the scaling of the Pokemon
  11. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    That's very iffy to me, because by that same metric, I could ask: "Why does emitting it suddenly mean it can't be affected by heat?" I mean, it's the exact same thing just projected forward, so why the sudden change? While true, I think there is a legit argument to be made for Natsu's heat here
  12. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    Because resisting heat can be overcome if the opponent outputs a heat greater than that of what they can resist. Someone could resist 10,000 degree heat, but the opponent can turn it up to, say, 30,000 degrees and the resistance suddenly means nothing. This just tells me that Kaidou's Flaming...
  13. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    There should be more Natsu matches tbh...
  14. CloverDragon03

    BLACK CLOVER MINI CRT: LUCK AND MAGNA

    Ye, a common misconception is that it's 48 hours after the thread gets the sufficient staff input. That's not the case. It's 48 hours after the thread's creation
  15. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    What's the extent of Luffy's Heat Resistance with Buso Emission, though? Because the resistance won't be enough if it's to a temperature noticeably below what Natsu can output
  16. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    TRUE ACTUALLY!
  17. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    Well assuming they start with speed equalized in base, Natsu gets a 4x speed amp with FDKM, so I think it gets much tricker for Luffy. In addition, his heat covered the entire length of Lake Scillora - over 11.5 km long, for reference. With a maximum starting distance of 4 km, Luffy's absolutely...
  18. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    @Kachon123 Speed is equalized now so things are different
  19. CloverDragon03

    What tier is needed to create and destroy an Infinite Spacial Dimension ?

    For creating one, the creation would be High 3-A, but you'd then need to prove it scales to the character's normal statistics if you choose to go that route. See here. For destroying one, assuming it's done via raw power, yeah that's a High 3-A feat
  20. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    Okay, well this gets a lot more interesting when speed is equalized, I just wanted to point out the messiness that is Natsu's key arrangement... or lack thereof, because it makes it way more clunky for stuff like this
  21. CloverDragon03

    Luffy vs Natsu

    Honestly Natsu's X792 profile is kinda ass just because it's not split into keys at all - which I find really dumb. But Luffy also has 5-C stuff that one-shots Natsu's High 6-A keys, so I'm not sure what to make of all this
  22. CloverDragon03

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  23. CloverDragon03

    Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2 (Clover Edition): Mainline Game Scaling

    How did I end up no longer receiving notifications for this thread...? Anyways, how come Ghetsis threatening to harm Lillie is a Low 7-B feat. Does Lillie have Low 7-B durability from something? Is she scaling from Elio/Selene?
  24. CloverDragon03

    BLACK CLOVER MINI CRT: LUCK AND MAGNA

    Something like "Combines the powers of Magna and Luck for a much stronger spell" could work
  25. CloverDragon03

    BLACK CLOVER MINI CRT: LUCK AND MAGNA

    Oh no don't worry I do agree, it's just that idk if specifically 2x is how I'd call it, it's more of an addition thing (it just happens to be equivalent to 2x in this scenario because Luck and Magna are equal in AP here)
  26. CloverDragon03

    BLACK CLOVER MINI CRT: LUCK AND MAGNA

    No I agree, but the thing is simply that it'd be an addition thing rather than an actual multiplier. Against Reve, for example, their magic powers aren't equal (hell they wouldn't even be equal here if not for Soul Chain Deathmatch), so it wouldn't be equivalent to 2x there
  27. CloverDragon03

    BLACK CLOVER MINI CRT: LUCK AND MAGNA

    Flame Lightning Exploding Cannon specifically should be... kind of a "2x" amp, except it's more so just adding their powers together - which is relevant since Luck and Magna aren't always equal. But yeah, adding their powers for that move's AP should work. I should note this is only for this...
  28. CloverDragon03

    RWBY: Penny lifting Amity and bomb ends

    I mean my opinion's pretty clear, especially after reading the rest of the discussion. It doesn't look like the calc can be used in its current state
  29. CloverDragon03

    Guilty Gear: Scaling Revision (Part 2)

    All good. I can take care of that, provided my proposal is accepted. Speaking of which... @Deagonx @DarkDragonMedeus What do you think of the above?
  30. CloverDragon03

    Guilty Gear: Scaling Revision (Part 2)

    That is true, though I'd like to include it as a scaling note on the verse page for clarity's sake.
  31. CloverDragon03

    Released/Armor Boros Speed

    I appreciate it. I do recognize my wording was iffy, and I should've fixed that, but I'm glad to still see a more ambivalent response like this. Frankly it means a lot with how things can get That aside, we can pick this up tomorrow then.
  32. CloverDragon03

    Released/Armor Boros Speed

    When summarizing arguments like this, it's preferrable to just leave the arguments as is without including any of this commentary - as it comes off as very biased rather than an actual summary. It's easy for one side to downplay the other's arguments to achieve a desired result, which is not...
  33. CloverDragon03

    Released/Armor Boros Speed

    Not quite anymore since Duedate disagreed
  34. CloverDragon03

    Released/Armor Boros Speed

    Don't see what you mean here. Like, my point is that Gery < Armored Boros <<< MB Boros but all can be Rel+, just different values
  35. CloverDragon03

    Released/Armor Boros Speed

    That can still just mean they're both Rel+ but different values Also I think this Q&A was before the Massively FTL feat was even a thing afaik so I'm not sure how this holds up
  36. CloverDragon03

    Released/Armor Boros Speed

    I think the somewhat speculative nature of it is why it's only a "possibly." I will admit there's a weirdness to it, as Geryuganshoop's attack speed is still near light speed, and I think Boros should scale above that based on the context. But at the same time, Meteoric Burst Boros has a similar...
  37. CloverDragon03

    Arc System Works Discussion Thread 2

    Oh brother...
  38. CloverDragon03

    Guilty Gear: Scaling Revision (Part 2)

    I'd admittedly like some input on this, because I feel it's pretty relevant. I don't believe these characters should be scaling to what's basically "likely Bedman's full power" when they can only contend with less than 8% of it
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