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  1. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    I'm sorry...

    Ok.
  2. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    I'm sorry...

    Please don't tell me you were supporting nihilism.
  3. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    I'm sorry...

    Did something happen while I was gone?
  4. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    New Rules and Regulations Pages have been added.

    I'll give my full input tomorrow but they seem OK.
  5. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Prime Raizen vs The Tailed Beast Gauntlet

    ^ This
  6. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    I'm back

    I was bored so I thought I'd be on the site for once. And kinda got addicted.
  7. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    I'm back

    How so???
  8. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    I'm back

    ^ What he said.
  9. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    We're not eactly saying anything bad about each other and I know you need to monitor the replies as an admin but we haven't actually done anything wrong. But it's your choice. Btw Toneri's Travelling speed needs to be downgraded he kept up with Sage Bijuu Mode Naruto which is accepted as mach...
  10. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    @ FinalBattleX01: Can you disprove my calc then. @Non-Bias: Well Bleach characters are FTL in speed then as they dodged Auswählen which traveled the distance between the Royal Realm and the Soul Society which is 5963328 km in a second or less. This was disproved as You don't need to be mach...
  11. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Is that sarcasm???.
  12. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Your right I should've used Naruto's normal speed. Seeing as we can't assume an increase in speed since no new speed calcs having been done to prove that Naruto was faster in the Movie (besides my first calc). So speed of Toneri's sword is mach 61.6.
  13. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    None Taken and Naruto's Base speed before the movie is low Hypersonic (mach 5 or 6) at best so I gave naruto a 5 times increase in speed (Mach 25).
  14. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Hmmm do you know how many Micro seconds it would take for Naruto to actualy move his hand. It would result in a very very very small amount of time making it so that it wouldn't really matter. Once again Naruto can have Sub-Relativistic reactions if and only if Toneri fired his Sword 1 meter...
  15. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    We don't know exacty how much it increases their speed as that's never been stated but since Naruto didn't react to Toneri's sword I guess it doesn't really matter.
  16. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    The length of the sword is never properly shown to be the same as the length as the diameter of the moon and LazyWaka only assumed it was the same length because Toneri used the sword to cut the moon. You don't necessarily need a 3475km long sword (if it's made of energy) to cut the moon in...
  17. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Oh I almost forgot. Base Naruto's speed being mach 829 is only in the Movie. This doesn't apply to Base Naruto before the movie. We can disregard this. That is unless you want to mention it like this Massively Hypersonic+ (Is mach 829 in base). @ Non-Bias: No.
  18. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    There isn't a single scan or calc which proves that the Sword is mach 10,000+ though. Kaguya is the absolute strongest person in naruto up until now and should be leagues above Juubi Madara, Toneri, Movie Naruto and Movie Sasuke. The only way she got beat was through massive PIS and CIS so...
  19. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    You wouldn't actually need a sword which is 3475 km to cut the moon if it's made of energy. Also no ones's answer this so I'll ask again. What are your opinions about ajusting base Naruto's speed in the movie to be mach 829.
  20. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    If I told you what it was here then Bleach speeds would almost certainly be downgraded so it's better if you didn't know...
  21. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    @ FinalBattleX01: We don't know if the sword truly moves at 3475 km/s so no. If it was 3475 km/s though Kaguya's attack speed and reactions can probably be scaled from this.
  22. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Off Topic: Well I'm debating Naruto's speed now, after that I'll probably start the downgrade for OP Characters..... Hmmm I wonder if I should bring up the thing to downgrade Bleach stats as well.
  23. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Ok but just know this unless Toneri was 1 meter away from Naruto. Naruto wouldn't get Sub-Relativistic speed. Just wanted to boost Naruto's base speed is all I was doing.
  24. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    The number of steps naruto took is not an assumption. I counted the number (even ones that couldn't be properly seen). Also the number of steps is only for before Naruto's Rasengan collided with Toneri's Sword. There is an unspecified amount of steps naruto could've made the camera focuses only...
  25. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    @ Antvasima: I don't really mind either way but do you accept the calc. This was assuming that the sword was 3475 km/s. Now if we do a similar calc assuming base naruto's speed to be mach 25 or 8500 m/s. And similar to the previous calc timeframe for naruto travelling the 7.5 meters would be...
  26. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    The time it took the sword to move 92.5 Meters would be 0.000026618705035971 seconds if it truly moved at 3475 km/s and thus we have the time frame for Naruto moving the 7.5 (if he ran ten steps) meters which is 0.000026618705035971 seconds as both starting moving at around the same time. Thus...
  27. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    The yellow one. I don't know what it's called but it's the same one he used through out the fight. And if it was his bare had then he most definitely doesn't get reactions from it as he already had his hand held out. And the speed taken to amp his hand with energy would've been instantaneous...
  28. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Oh and I'm currently downloading the movie so the calc will be up in a while.
  29. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Nope he already had the Rasengan formed and in hand before the attack had reached him. And what he did was simply charge forward towards the sword which was headed straight for him. If we do the calc assuming that the sword was truly mach 10,000+ for base naruto's speed (travelling speed) I can...
  30. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Let me just clear something out here. Naruto can't have mach 10,000+ reactions from charging in front of Toneri's sword. Had he done something like this however. If he had done something like this and had moved 1 meter and dodged the sword we could say that he has mach 100+ reactions in base.
  31. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    I'll get to it then.... Please wait for a couple of hours as I'm still in school. (I'm replying from my phone)
  32. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Wait wait I got this it seems that I'm the person that misunderstood. But now I got this. When assuming naruto's speed to be mach 25 we would get the speed of the sword to be around mach 308. And when assuming the sword's speed to be mach 10000+ we can scale naruto's speed from that and get...
  33. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    One of us has misunderstood then I assumed mach 25 as base naruto's speed to calculate the speed of Toneri's sword's extension.
  34. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Ok I'll try and post another calc about that later. Although that's clearly gonna be harder than the previous calc. But assumptions are needed in a calc.
  35. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    True but I assumed Naruto to be the highest end of Hypersonic+ whiles in base when in reality the should be low end Hypersonic in base but even if he was mach 25 in base and even if he got 10 times faster in yhe movie it still wouldn't be enough to make the sword mach 10000+.
  36. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Not really Naruto never moved to block the sword. I can actually explain it properly here but it just this the sword if it was truly mach 10000+ than it would've travelled around 300 meters (3X the entire distance between naruto and Toneri) in the same amount of time it took naruto to move one...
  37. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    The assumed distance was 100 meters so minus 7.5 meters from that and you get 92.5 m. And Naruto never had to move to block it. Toneri's sword extended straight towards naruto and naruto simply charged towards the sword with a Rasengan in hand.
  38. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Wait the first sentence was a mistake on my part. I took a proper look at the scene and neither were in slow motion. The only time it was in slow motion was after Naruto had hit Toneri with his Rasengan I don't know where you got the fact that it was in slow motion as the scene never sped up...
  39. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    I took another look and the only time it was in slow motion was after Naruto had hit Toneri with his Rasengan. The scene never sped up after naruto blocked the attack. Think of it like this a character by using hand signs has a technique which can travel at light speed but that doesn't mean...
  40. Teufel_Dunkelheit

    Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

    Umm no Toneri using the technique was in slow motion but the extension speed of the sword wasn't in slow motion. I've already provided a calc to disprove that the sword moved as fast as the first one so please try and disprove it as I nor anyone will accept a blanket statement like "It went...
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