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Jiren was only stated to have reached the God of destruction level or maybe slightly surpass it(which is questionable), and goku has only tapped to the power of self-movement, not exactly mastered it like the angels do. All of the angels have been proven many times to be on a complete higher...
We haven't seen the upper limits of Fused Zamasu since he actually goes toe to toe with SSB Vegito. The way I see it, Zamasu lacks hax abilities therefore Demigra wins via insane hax.
Black has broken Zenkai which he increases his power exponentially while fighting Goku. He literally jumped from SS2 level to SSB level and beyond in a very short period of time.
it only makes sense until he said the part where he refer the idiot who created a new timeline is trunks. That is most likely not true, since Universe 10 and Universe 7 don't share the same space time continuum and they have absolute no connection to each other.
Zen'o erased 6 universes out of...
@Red: You remember how Majin Buu was separated into 2 beings, a good one and an evil one?
This might as well be the case for Zamasu as well. We could possibly see an evil Zamasu who wants to destroy all mortal beings
Such assumption can't be taken seriously. Zen'o destroyed 6 universes very long time ago and now only exist 12 universes. If they were to put in the same space time continuum, destroy space time of those 6 universes would affect other universes as well, but that's not the case.
After Gowasu...
I think we are rushing things quite a bit. We should really wait for more detailed info in the upcoming episodes. Also traveling to a different universe is nighly impossible, Only the Gods and the Vehicle for the gods which was used by whis are capable of traveling to another universe"stated by...
@Super Goku Roku: It's debatable that Whis was going at full speed or not, but your unwanted attitude will eventually lead you to your ban if you're continue doing so.
As much as i remember, traveling to another universe is nighly impossible, only the gods's vehicle and the gods themselves are able to travel to different universes.
Since when did Black hole is considered as high 3-A?
I doubt he would get hit directly since he's already billions times the speed of light.
Also can you tell me when did Sol throw black holes at MTFL speed? provide sources if have any
Like i said, if Goku got caught in a black hole, He can easily escape it, he's freaking above billions of lightspeed. "THROWING" a blackhole at a MTFL+ speed doesn't mean anything, that's a strength feat and can catch someone at a faster rate which is still useless against FTL characters because...
Goku normal speed is already billions times the speed of light(extremely lowballed), even if Sol throws black holes, Goku can easily escape it without any effort
Goku also has Regenerationn in SSG, about the black hole thing, Goku can easily escape that, his speed is scaled from Beerus and Beerus was scale from Whis. Keep in mind, Whis's speed was EXTREMELY lowballed. Goku in Base form tanked and destroyed Beerus' Super Energy Sphere which is at least...
even SSG(not full power) with 3 punches is already at least multi-galaxy+ (high end 3-B, near 3-A level), SSB is the same but it's only above SSG by a small portion, almost cracked the 3-A barrier. Goku still takes this.
Super Buu did it on a big scale once against Vegito, he was trying to destroy everything by ripping off every dimensions and collapse the universe within it.
I like Sol but he doesn't have the necessary AP to even hurt Goku plus Goku is a genius in combat with lots of techniques of his own...
@Darkanine: the word "Galaxies" doesn't mean high end of billions of galaxies, it could be hundreds or thousands. Tearing the fabric of reality doesn't mean you're Multi-galaxy+ and Super Buu did it once, i mean literally, he was ripping holes in reality and only rated as 4-B. Judging from their...
Just like reppuzan said, destroying all time and space result to the destruction of everything including the Universe.
About you friend's statement, there's no such thing. Only affecting space time continuum that won't lead to the destruction of the universe.
Animation: Super is WAY superior especially the fight between Beerus and Goku, the Universe 6 arc plus other scenes that involves Planet destructions, universal shockwaves, galaxies, the animation was so goddamn beautiful. Aside from that, only Revival of F animation was horribly done. GT...
I'm not making valid points? lmao. You are completely being biased and unreasonably trying to claim Hit is superior than Demigra without any solid and concrete explanation, all you actually said is "Hit is faster and has hax therefore Hit wins"? you can't even refute me in proper way. You...
You're completely being biased and unreasonable right now. as far as i know Goku SS3GOD is much stronger than SSB Goku from what i have seen, Demigra tanking hits from SSJ3G Goku and the PC, sealing their powers, BFR someone to another timelines, mind control. And from what i meant "having a...
You didn't read my post right? i think you should scroll up until my first post and read all of it before repeating the same thing all over again. like i said Hit isn't as fast as you think he is, read my explanation on why Hit's speed is even lower than a SSB. Demigra is too haxed, can BFR...
No, Omnipotent is out of the question. Alien-X is not even complex multiversal level let alone omnipotent. Also go read the tiering system of this page before making any absurd and nonsensical request like this. Someone please lock this
@Alexcar: i think the calc is based on the Daizenshuu Map. But the map is still valid at some point, the only problem is that the Mortal Universe is 4 galaxy-sized. The other world, kai realm, supreme kai's planets in that map are still usable materials in Dragonball Super because King kai's...
@Ultrasan: Have you seen the actual news? you're kinda saying nonsensical things there man, Magetta, Botamo? seriously please write something that actually makes sense
@Master Xar: They claimed that Goku is not universal or multigalaxy level, even though it showcased in the anime. They clearly used the manga materials - SIDE CANON over the anime ones, saying that the shockwave didn't destroy anything in the manga, even though it was stated by the Old Kai...
@Master Xar: I think you should stop arguing with people on Youtube/Facebook, they are either ******* or uneducated Wankers. I have tried debating with them more than twice, seriously it didn't go well at all, they never listen to reason.
Ryu: His Super saiyan form already merged with the God Ki in his battle with Beerus, it's actually super saiyan blue before the change in color happened.
The Super saiyan blue is like a side effect of the combination, Goku and Vegeta was training their God Ki in base form, it somehow resulted...
Sorry for interrupting, if anyone is still wondering the power system of Goku and Vegeta, i can describe it more clearly:
Goku/Vegeta Base Form
Goku/Vegeta Base + God Ki ( (i cannot exactly point out when they were using God Ki or Normal Ki, but Goku did use God Ki in base form against Beerus...
@Gogeta: Demigra failed to mind control Goku due to Goku being a super saiyan god.
Edit: you don't need to reply to Saiyan Warlord, he got banned by the admins