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False, Jiren was not stated to be "much" stronger than Belmod in the anime/manga, in the anime its implied that he's stronger than Belmod, and outright stated in the manga, in neither scenario the word "much" used. FP Jiren is stronger than Belmod, and him surpassing his limits makes him even...
These feats just seem like outliers, how is base Frieza trolling someone SSG Goku couldn't handle,and struggled with as a SSB. When did Freeza get that powerful ?
Has it been stated Jiren can one shot Belmod ? When they mean stronger, don't automatically assume they mean he 10's to 100's of times stronger than he is.
My list would be
1.Zeno
2.Daishinkan (and the other 4 top strongest fighters too)
3.Super Shenron
4.The Angels
5.Beerus/Quitela
6.Goku
7.Jiren
8.Other G.O.D.
9.Vegeta
10.Toppo
"Take note that 4-D power should logically always be superior to countably infinite 3-D power". This not only makes them infinitetly stronger than 3D High 3-A's but also 2 dimensions apart from regular 3-A, this would mean they're 2 dimensions stronger than Hit if I'm not mistaken, which just...
It's a little thing called Plot Armor my friend, the exact reason why Jiren didn't just blast everyone off the stage in the first second of the Tournament, it doesn't make it as interesting to watch.
Jiren is a being who surpasses the God's of Destruction and even an improved Ultra Instinct Goku couldn't defeat him, Goku had to master Ultra Instinct in order to defeat Jiren. It's implied Toppo had just acquired the fruits of his training. You could also chalk it up to bad writing. But, I...
@Aeyu Why would 17 hold back when it was down to the final minutes of the Tournament that decides the FATE OF HIS UNIVERSE, does that ANY sense to you at all, this has got to be a joke.
No, I remember vividly frm previous threads, and the episode itself, Hit nearly eliminated Jiren, and Jiren was only concerned about Goku and Hit. People were vieing for High-3A Hit as you are now for Frieza and 17, if the outcome for the former is anything to go by, this doesn't change anything.
@Aeyu Yes,thats Dragonball powerups in a nutshell, but never to such a ludicrous degree, much less, and I hate to repeat myself, A 100X STRONGER in 10 minutes. It's just too far fetched to agree with, and why not provide the same for Hit, didn't he nearly eliminate Jiren, and was one of the 2...
@Aeyu, uhhh no, The timespan between the Universe 6 arc and Future Trunks arc was a year and a half later I think. Vegeta would have to get 50-100x stronger in 48 minutes, actually only in like 10 minutes, which is completely ridiculous.
I think we all know Super is wonky in the way they present how powerful their characters are, so it's difficult pinpointing how powerful these characters can be sometimes. Jiren wasn't even flinching when he was attacked by SSJ/2 Goku and only used a finger to defend himself against SSG Goku...
I interpret him surpassing the God of Destruction state as just Belmod, until further evidence is provided to prove otherwise. Also "state" is pretty vague, the difference in power between the G.O.D. seem to vary. Although, this is more from a manga perspective than the anime, but I don't think...
People seem to forget the "A" G.O.D. part of that, it implies Belmod cannot defeat Jiren, which doesn't include the other G.O.D, and we dont know where Vegeta and Goku stack to Beerus, he doesn't seem to mesmerized by their power as he was with Jiren. Toppo got absolutely fodderized, which was...
I think it's safe to say Beerus is still stronger, he didn't seem shook by Jiren unleashing his full power, and didn't even make a mention of how his power compares to his own.
I forgot to note, that whole fight was just 1 minute, since in the episode's beginning, Whis says there's 23 minutes left, and the episode ends with there being 22 minutes remaining.