That's a very good question.
My point is you don't have a point because your entire argument hinges on like ten unknowns that need to be a specific way for you to even have a chance to argue it.
You were already given a direct showing from a supervised game?
DRW001 just gave you a statement from a guide WITH MIH in it saying RTZ is the ultimate ability and effects anything.
You have proof, you're just backpedaling on all accounts.
If it's supervised by the author, it's relevant.
If EVERYTHING EVER shows GER uneffected, it's relevant.
Do you not see the difference between every single piece of media saying GER wouldn't be effected, and you, some dude on the internet, saying nuh uh actually I'm ASSUMING GER would be effected, in your own words btw, you conceding it's nothing but an assumption, saying nuh uh he actually is?
Your opinion doesn't matter here, I don't mean that in a rude way, I mean that in a your stance is so overwhelming skewed to not being the case that the fact you're still arguing it is baffling.
You don't have proof, you don't have evidence, you don't even have the premise set up because we don't even know if he has GER still. You're just saying words that have no merit or backing and expecting anyone to take it seriously.
Multiple guide statements saying RTZ is the ultimate ability that can effect anything have been posted already, while MIH is like ten pages over in the same guide so, ya know.
Or shit like
Or hell if want a deepcut
You're legit saying your headcanon conjecture, has more merit than this. We have canon glaze, canon statements and more.
We have a supervised game showing it explicitly.
And we even have a fight in a (tbf this one actually is noncanon but it's something to the pile) fight where GER legit just kills him in one punch while unphased by the acceleration and is later said he just ignored his own death between resets.
Proof is on your end now lad.
Yeah why would I? They're on profile. I'm not grabbing shit if it's already linked, that's on your end.
DRW001 posted it, why ask me for what you already have?
It isn't natural, that's legit agenda fuel.
Fact of the matter is, the manga is vague.
Nothing shows him effected, nothing shows him uneffected.
If we use only the manga though, he'd be pretty blatantly not effected though given he has onscreen feats of negating uni+ time manip slop, he has the range and feats to show he could do so, has a statement saying no matter what ability one might have it wouldn't work and by that point in the manga we already have stuff like The World or BTD which outscale MIH, hell Time Stop can even halt MIH briefly too and that's well below RTZ.
And his bio straight up says any ability too.
If you include guides and secondary material, it goes from educated assumption based on showings and context, to it literally wouldn't work.
Meanwhile, your assumption needs assumptions to even work, like Gio having GER at all.
I'm not wasting my time sending scans of stuff that is ON wiki already, that type of shit is on you to actually engage with everything properly.
This would be like asking me for a scan that Stands are invisible, as if a dozen profiles don't link that stuff directly, at that point it's on you, not me to spoonfeed you. Things that aren't anywhere like ASB clip, yeah I'll grab, and I did.
The proof your point hinges on unknowns?
First unknown; Does Gio even have GER still?
Second unknown; If he does, was he even effected to begin with as we don't see it?
Third unknown; If he was effected, why or to what degree?
Fourth unknown; If he wasn't effected, why would that matter, as Gio doesn't even know he has RTZ so he wouldn't even know to use it to undo the rest of the world.
Fifth unknown; In that case, why wouldn't GER have done it? It wants to keep its power a secret so could that be why?
I could go on.
Also you have proof it wouldn't work, you don't need anymore.
Yes you do, tf argument is this? By this logic I don't have to say a damn thing to you because it's self evident GER would rip MIH in half.
In fact no, prove Gio still has GER, right now, you wanna talk about proof, how about proving that so there's even a point to this conversation to begin with.
Here, proof.
Couple in guide yap and even in manga yap, which, all on profile.
So yeah, he wouldn't be effected, it's on you, the person who made the claim to begin with mind you, to actually prove it. No, self evident isn't an argument, because it's anything but, there's zero proof on your end.
Half that shit is ON the profile, tf you mean no proof?
You've been given proof, you just keep backpedaling and moving the goalposts and it's beyond obnoxious.
Because you're spreading misinfo.
Because it'd be actually stupid? Do you not know how writing works?
"Yeah this character who hasn't been in the manga in like 3 years and isnt something the author wants coming in, wasn't shown, that must mean he was effected lmao".
Tf ya mean? Ignoring meta reasons because that's exactly why, Araki doesn't like using past characters unless he has to, hell even in the case of Part 5 he never wanted Pol to come back, he was just asked constantly by fans.
There wasn't a confrontation because it'd be stupid and bad writing.
And that's assuming he even had GER still. Or that Gio was even near by, because mind you, how are they supposed to confront each other if Gio isn't even in the area?
Holy false dichotomy Batman.
Here's a bunch more.
What if Gio didn't have GER any longer and thus whether he was effected or not doesn't even matter?
What if Gio wasn't in the area to engage him so even if he wasn't effected it wouldn't matter because he was anywhere from across the city to ACROSS THE PLANET.
What if Gio wasn't effected but GER or RTZ didn't feel the need to stop anything else because it didn't actually do anything to them?
What if it's just dogshit writing to do what you're arguing?
What if a whole slew of shit.
Just because you want to argue out of sheer ignorance and frame it as either or, doesn't make it true.
That isn't how this works, YOU need to prove your initial claim. If you can't prove it,
drop it.
And your assumption needs to be fact otherwise why are you yapping? Like is it just to argue for the hell of it? Like what's the goal here?
Then drop it.
You've been given proof by multiple people, yet you're still on it. You just keep backpedaling or moving the goalpost.
If you don't support it and it isn't your job, stop talking as if your headcanon is factual or a point of contention.
Acting while not cognizant or deleted? On profile.
Uni/Multi range? On profile.
Death loop isnt a unique thing, just RTZ applied on a death? On profile.
Having effected shit way beyond MIH? On profile.
Scans that glaze tf out of him saying anything to nothing, ultimate ability in verse, etc? On profile.
The only shit that isn't, is novel slop or game slop, which yeah obviously, but we've also never had to argue shit like GER is actually effected by MIH because everyone who knows anything about JoJo knows that's bullshit. Like not even the table, it's like arguing Beerus would be effected by Chiaotzu's TK when we know goddamn he wouldn't be, you're the first person on this forum to even have such a thought.
Repeating what I say back is not an argument or rebuttal. I haven't backpedaled once, I've stuck to what I said at every turn.
On top of 4 guide statements posted by DRW001.
The blog from 8 years ago, is outdated.
The profile, literally SAYS he wasn't at the top.
You're taking a blog linked as a footnote that is outdated, and ignoring the much more recent changes from like last year to somehow not be a thing.
Use some common sense here.
Huh? I don't need to do anything. You made the original claim. If you can't actually confirm it, then good, that means I don't need to waste effort doing so and I fully expect you to concede as, by your very own admission, you're just guessing.
But as an aside, you HAVE been given proof, you just keep backpedaling or ignoring it.
Do I even want to convince you? You've made your stance pretty clear given you've been give 4 statements of glaze which include MIH (2011 year date), there's scans on the profile where GER yaps about how nothing can get past RTZ, then a clip from a game that's from both 2012, and 2023, and technically 2015, and yet you just ignore it to cling to your headcanon that's founded by nothing.
The RESET? The reset in context is just a loop of history.
And also that doesn't effect anyone or do anything, the manag even goes out of its way to say that not even a literal insect, would be harmed or effected by it it anyway.
Please tell me you're not one of those people who think Part 7 uni is from MIH, because it isn't.
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Same guide, stop arguing out of ignorance.
You're conflating utility, with what it is.
The ability is still the same, it can be used more efficiently, at higher potencies, and more sure, but I'm not arguing Diavolo's causality manip is more useful or can do more, I'm saying RTZ can nullify 4D Uni+ causality manip, which it can, and because it can do that, Kuwa's causality manip, which isn't higher in potency than Diavolo's, simply more versatile, would be effected just fine.
What does this say? That's rhetorical, it says exactly what you're denying. It's on the profile, it's accepted, you don't like it? Go make a CRT.
And no, it wouldn't be resistance, if it was, they WOULDN'T have been erased, the whole point is that they were, and RTZ didn't give a shit and took effect anyway. Like yeah they don't resist it, which is precisely what makes RTZ impressive. And we don't give Resistances for being effected but undoing it later, as they were still effected at the start.
Am I being punked? Are we just ignoring the detailed phrasing that we had written EXACTLY like that to avoid this very issue? Because we had it written exactly like that to convey RTZ can take effect even if they're both deleted. Goddamn, I was the person who wrote that phrasing out in the CRT that it got accepted on, that's what everyone agreed to.
Oh god, you don't know how Time Skip works either....
Read the King Crimson time skip blog and then come back kind of why we have it, it's being made abundantly clear the problem is you just haven't been reading the relevant profiles and arguing out of ignorance.
Yet all you've done is talk about JoJo.
Because the addition predates wiki terminology for "layered". That's literally why. The enhanced and description makes it clear that's the intent, because that was the intent.
It doesn't, we only equalize aspects that are already equatable, like ki and chakra, or various magic systems.
What you stated? You don't make the rules.
Ok. I'll grab one.
Every JoJo verse battle for the past like 4 years has been like this. Not just JoJo, but any verse with thigs akin to this, from Persona's or even Bleach, you either have the kit to effect and interact, or you don't, no inbetween.
