Cinder fall vs Sans

[Spinoirr]

Speed is equal
Both are 10 meters apart
Fight takes place in the sahara desert

Sans:

Cinder Fall:

Icon:

 

[ShionAH]

Whats stopping sans from winning

 

[StrymULTRA]

Whats stopping sans from winning

Losing

 

[ShionAH]

Losing

I cant see anything problematic for sans

 

[Spinoirr]

Bump

Cinder in character flies and range spams

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Oh God, here we go with this clusterfuck.... Alright then, so what's stopping Cinder from just nuking Sans from a range he can't hit her from? Keep in mind, he never uses his Time Stop/Teleportation to dodge so we can't use that argument anymore.

 

[ShionAH]

Alright then, so what's stopping Cinder from just nuking Sans from a range he can't hit her from

It starts at 10 meters so how is she gonna range abuse?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Oh God, here we go with this clusterfuck.... Alright then, so what's stopping Cinder from just nuking Sans from a range he can't hit her from? Keep in mind, he never uses his Time Stop/Teleportation to dodge so we can't use that argument anymore.

Sans trowing her back in the ground with TK/GM

 

[SilentLyfe]

Sans trowing her back in the ground with TK/GM

Greater LS plus flight means she can break out easily.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Greater LS plus flight means she can break out easily.

them sans teleporting her back to close distance

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump, lets continue the discussion

 

[Peppersalt43]

Uh, bump

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump

 

[Tomfer]

Just by profile alone, Cinder would be able to win this without any problem... I'm pretty sure it's an easy stomp... unless Sans have something that can counter Cinder's superior AP, durability, stamina and maiden powers?

 

[ShionAH]

superior AP,

sans gets one shot anyway

durability,

sans whole thing is dura neg

stamina

sans kills her way before she can even utilize it

and maiden powers?

how do they work? how does she deal with sans danmaku?

 

[Tomfer]

how do they work? how does she deal with sans danmaku?

It's pretty straight forward on the profile.

She's able to fly and create force fields that can easily defend against 9-A attacks since they defended against a low 7-B. So she has means to block and dodge.

sans whole thing is dura neg

Reading the profile, I need to know how does this KARMA work but at a quick read it's just a poison effect, something that Cinder can easily deal with by just ending the fight quickly. Something that she's more than able to do with the AP difference.

sans gets one shot anyway

Yeah, Sans is getting stomped on this fight. I'm leaning on Cinder on this one.

 

[ShionAH]

It's pretty straight forward on the profile.
She's able to fly and create force fields that can easily defend against 9-A attacks since they defended against a low 7-B. So she has means to block and dodge.

Are you sure she can dodge this? I doubt it.

Reading the profile, I need to know how does this KARMA work but at a quick read it's just a poison effect, something that Cinder can easily deal with by just ending the fight quickly. Something that she's more than able to do with the AP difference.

Sans can kill her in 0.83 seconds. KARMA just helps him do it faster so she will not be one shot but she will die pretty damn quick

Yeah, Sans is getting stomped on this fight. I'm leaning on Cinder on this one.

No I meant sans gets one shot in all his matches. He is glass canon

 

[Tomfer]

Are you sure she can dodge this? I doubt it.

If Frisk's able to do it, why not Cinder? One could argue since its a video-game, the protagonist dodging would be just the player being good but since Frisk has a profile with speed clearly shown, I'd count it. Plus Frisk doesn't have flight nor force-fields, giving Cinder a greater advantage.

Sans can kill her in 0.83 seconds. KARMA just helps him do it faster so she will not be one shot but she will die pretty damn quick

Kill her in 0.82 secs? I'm curious to know why would be the case? Do we have a calculation feat somewhere or its something in-game that I don't remember? (I haven't played the game since it got released, lmao) Even so, their speed is equal.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Cinder has dodges lasers before yes, and she has a passive full-body forcefield anyways that blocks attacks

Plus she has the flight and lifting strength to not be affected by Sans' telekiesis

 

[ShionAH]

If Frisk's able to do it, why not Cinder?

Frisk has like insane experience in damaku and sees the future. You cannot compare

One could argue since its a video-game, the protagonist dodging would be just the player being good but since Frisk has a profile with speed clearly shown, I'd count it.

No.

Plus Frisk doesn't have flight nor force-fields, giving Cinder a greater advantage.

They do have precognition and way better experience

Kill her in 0.82 secs? I'm curious to know why would be the case? Do we have a calculation feat somewhere or its something in-game that I don't remember? (I haven't played the game since it got released, lmao)

Basically since her soul is weak we just assume she has 20 hp (weakest soul in Undertale) which would means Sans can kill her in less than a second.

Even so, their speed is equal.

What does that have to do wtih anything? This also means sans has reaction advantage

Cinder has dodges lasers before yes,

Speed equal

and she has a passive full-body forcefield anyways that blocks attacks

Then this is a stomp sadly since they removed sans intagible attacks

 

[Tomfer]

Yup, stomp.

 

[ShionAH]

Yup, stomp.

If it was intagible I could argue sans winning but nope.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I was told to close this