Elden Ring: Magic Profile, P&A additions, and minor AP revisions

[Qawsedf234]

Elden Ring and Nightreign have a large number of magical abilities that are shared between both PCs and enemies. A common issue that happens when making profiles is the repetition of information, such as having to explain what Scarlet Rot does with every single character that can resist it in some capacity or giving people identical powers for being able to cast similar spells. To help with this, @Chritin and I have made the following Blog/P&A profile:

Qawsedf234/SandboxEldenMagic

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The purpose of the blog is the following:

• It explains what every status effect is and the powers that it carries. So instead of having to list eight powers for Scarlet Rot, you can just link it to the Scarlet Rot section
• It explains what every type of Magic is and what powers it grants. So certain characters, such as Rennala, don't need to have their profiles flooded with information about what they can do
• It can act as a building block for future profiles

Part of these changes also have to do with the P&A section on a lot of profile. There's currently no standard, so you get a variety of different appearances based on who made the profile. To try and get everything on the same page, I have made the following:

Qawsedf234/SandboxEldenUpdated

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All this does is serve as a replacement for character powers and abilities. With abilities removed because they would either be covered in the blog or there's no basis in them being there, like the Elden Beast being healed off of holy magic attacks. Some characters are not covered, as they have under six powers and I didn't think they needed to be changed because of that reason, but if needed we can also adjust them to match the above changes.

Finally, three profiles were made in July that escaped some revision notice:

• Dragonlord Placidusax
• Lichdragon Fortissax
• Ancient Dragon Lansseax

And some profiles that would need their AP wording revised

• Elden Lord Godfrey
• Gideon
• Maliketh
• Rennala

Placidusax, Godfrey, Gideon, Prime Rennala, and Maliketh should just be "At most Low 5-B, likely 4-A" like with Radahn. Our current AP scale is that while Lords do scale in some capacity to Gods like Marika, Miquella or the Elden Beast, they downscale rather than upscale. Other than Radagon, who fused with Marika when we fought him, those other characters should have their "At least" rating changed to "At most" to reflect our views of the scaling.

Fortissax and Lansseax are simpler; they just need their "4-A" rating changed to "High 4-C" since they're fought post-Rot Radahn rather than post-Farum Azula.

For changes, this more or less affects all profiles we have. Since they're having the blog added to their profiles and/or having their P&A keys replaced.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Looks fine to me.

 

[SilentLyfe]

Looks good. Amazing work.

 

[Chritin]

Elden Ring and Nightreign have a large number of magical abilities that are shared between both PCs and enemies. A common issue that happens when making profiles is the repetition of information, such as having to explain what Scarlet Rot does with every single character that can resist it in some capacity or giving people identical powers for being able to cast similar spells. To help with this, @Chritin and I have made the following Blog/P&A profile:

Qawsedf234/SandboxEldenMagic

vsbattles.fandom.com

The purpose of the blog is the following:

• It explains what every status effect is and the powers that it carries. So instead of having to list eight powers for Scarlet Rot, you can just link it to the Scarlet Rot section
• It explains what every type of Magic is and what powers it grants. So certain characters, such as Rennala, don't need to have their profiles flooded with information about what they can do
• It can act as a building block for future profiles

Part of these changes also have to do with the P&A section on a lot of profile. There's currently no standard, so you get a variety of different appearances based on who made the profile. To try and get everything on the same page, I have made the following:

Qawsedf234/SandboxEldenUpdated

vsbattles.fandom.com

All this does is serve as a replacement for character powers and abilities. With abilities removed because they would either be covered in the blog or there's no basis in them being there, like the Elden Beast being healed off of holy magic attacks. Some characters are not covered, as they have under six powers and I didn't think they needed to be changed because of that reason, but if needed we can also adjust them to match the above changes.

Finally, three profiles were made in July that escaped some revision notice:

• Dragonlord Placidusax
• Lichdragon Fortissax
• Ancient Dragon Lansseax

And some profiles that would need their AP wording revised

• Elden Lord Godfrey
• Gideon
• Maliketh
• Rennala

Placidusax, Godfrey, Gideon, Prime Rennala, and Maliketh should just be "At most Low 5-B, likely 4-A" like with Radahn. Our current AP scale is that while Lords do scale in some capacity to Gods like Marika, Miquella or the Elden Beast, they downscale rather than upscale. Other than Radagon, who fused with Marika when we fought him, those other characters should have their "At least" rating changed to "At most" to reflect our views of the scaling.

Fortissax and Lansseax are simpler; they just need their "4-A" rating changed to "High 4-C" since they're fought post-Rot Radahn rather than post-Farum Azula.

For changes, this more or less affects all profiles we have. Since they're having the blog added to their profiles and/or having their P&A keys replaced.

I spoke with Qaw before about this, but something important I wanted to note is more work will continue to be done in the future on many of these P&A sections. This new magic blog is meant to facilitate an understanding for what most of the characters can do with their magic and status effects. I plan to do even more going forward, but overall is a very good and important start, especially when considering something like the Tarnished's profile.

Overall, I agree whole-heartedly with this CRT

 

[Sir_sun_man]

same as most people above I agree with everything within this CRT simple and straight forward

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Agreed and going to edit Rennala and Gideon profiles for the "At most" part

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Elden Ring and Nightreign have a large number of magical abilities that are shared between both PCs and enemies. A common issue that happens when making profiles is the repetition of information, such as having to explain what Scarlet Rot does with every single character that can resist it in some capacity or giving people identical powers for being able to cast similar spells. To help with this, @Chritin and I have made the following Blog/P&A profile:

Qawsedf234/SandboxEldenMagic

vsbattles.fandom.com

Is there some kind of Imgur that collects scans of things or something? Because most things don't have scans or references.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Is there some kind of Imgur that collects scans of things or something?

You mean something like this?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

You mean something like this?

Yes.

I'm not talking about having a link to this in every justification, but I think it would be nice to have one:
<all status effect scans can be viewed here>
<all spell scans can be viewed here>

• Attack Reflection (Carian Retaliation deflects incoming magic and converts their energy into glintblades)

If this spell deflects, then why would it be an attack reflection? Like, from what the page itself says, it would be returning the opponent's attack/magic to themselves.

In the case of this spell, according to its description:

"Carian Retaliation: Swing the shield to dispel incoming sorceries and incantations, transforming the magic into retaliatory glintblades. Can also be used in the same way as a regular parry."

It seems to me more like a power modification/nullification (the shield dispels magic) + transmutation (transforms the dispelled magic into another type of attack) than attack reflection.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm not talking about having a link to this in every justification, but I think it would be nice to have one:

I can start working on those

It seems to me more like a power modification/nullification (the shield dispels magic) + transmutation (transforms the dispelled magic into another type of attack) than attack reflection.

I've changed the various attack reflections, since they don't actually bounce an attack back

 

[Damage3245]

Sandboxes look good to me.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm not talking about having a link to this in every justification, but I think it would be nice to have one:

Edited in the albums. How does it look to you now?

 

[OrangeFR]

Looks good.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Edited in the albums. How does it look to you now?

It is good.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Edited in the albums. How does it look to you now?

In the character P&A section, I saw that several have access to all or most spells/incantations.

What would be the justification for someone having access to all of them? And what does "has access to most of x" mean?

Like:
(Uses Dragon Communion incantations)

Does this mean "is the standard and knows some spells"?
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Also, I think you're wasting a bit of the general Q&A page you created?

For example, using Eleonora.

She has that.

• Superhuman Physical Characteristics
• Expert Combatant & Weapon Mastery (Expertly wields her poleblade in battle)
• Status Effect Inducement (Her poleblade can inflict the Bleeding status)
• Acrobatics
• Healing (With a Flask of Crimson Tears)
• Magic (Uses Dragon Communion incantations)
• Limited Shapeshifting (Dragon Communion incantations briefly turns the user's body into that of a dragon to channel their power)
• Fire Manipulation & Breath Attack (With Agheel's Flame)
• Sound Manipulation & Statistics Reduction (With Greyoll's Roar, which reduces the attack power and defense of nearby enemies)

Agheel's Flame and Greyoll's Roar are already indexed abilities on the general page. Listing them here seems to make the page a bit useless.

Couldn't it be like this?

• Magic (Incantations: Dragon Communion - Unique Abilities: Agheel's Flame and Greyoll's Roar)

In the case of Astel you could put:

• Magic (Sorceries: Gravity - Unique Abilities: All)

I think this standardizes indexing better.

For characters that have more it could be a pattern like this:

• Magic (Sorceries: x, y and z; Incantations: a, b and c)
  • Unique Abilities (x) - (name of the spell), ...
  • Unique Abilities ( y ) -
  • Unique Abilities (z) -
  • Unique Abilities (a) - (name of the spell/Incantation)

It would probably be pretty big for guys who have a lot of stuff (cough cough the player), but I don't know, it seems like a more standardized way to show it on the character page while also taking advantage of the entire general P&A page.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Also, I think you're wasting a bit of the general Q&A page you created?

I probably am, as it's the first time making something like that. So reflecting on the profiles is a first for me.

Couldn't it be like this?

• Magic (Incantations: Dragon Communion - Unique Abilities: Agheel's Flame and Greyoll's Roar)

In the case of Astel you could put:

• Magic (Sorceries: Gravity - Unique Abilities: All)

I think this standardizes indexing better.

For characters that have more it could be a pattern like this:

• Magic (Sorceries: x - Unique Abilities: x; Incantations: x - Unique Abilities: x)

I think that's a pretty good idea. I'll change the P&A keys to better reflect this style. I was trying to do so with some of them, but wasn't sure what direction to go with, so I think your idea is pretty good.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I think that's a pretty good idea. I'll change the P&A keys to better reflect this style. I was trying to do so with some of them, but wasn't sure what direction to go with, so I think your idea is pretty good.

For characters that have more it could be a pattern like this:

• Magic (Sorceries: x - Unique Abilities: x; Incantations: x - Unique Abilities: x)

I edited that last one.

I realized it's problematic for guys who have more than one school.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I realized it's problematic for guys who have more than one school.

While true, it only applies to a couple of characters like Ranni, Rennala, and Miquella. Most people generally either have one school or, in a few cases, like Astel or the Elden Beast, have access to all powers within their respective schools.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I edited that last one.

I made edits up to Radahn. How does it look? If you think it's acceptable, then what I'll do is the following:

1. Make all the magic edits
2. Post the Elden Ring Magic page on the wiki
3. Mass edit the [[Magic]] tag to link to the Elden Ring Magic page and edit the [[Status Effect Inducment]] stuff to also link to that page
4. Update everyone

 

[Chritin]

If this spell deflects, then why would it be an attack reflection? Like, from what the page itself says, it would be returning the opponent's attack/magic to themselves.

In the case of this spell, according to its description:

It seems to me more like a power modification/nullification (the shield dispels magic) + transmutation (transforms the dispelled magic into another type of attack) than attack reflection.

Attack reflection is just turning ones attack against someone, countering it while also being able to follow up with an attack using said energy. Whether or not the attack is the same doesn't matter, it just matters that an attack is made from someone else's.

I guess if we wanna change it that's fine, but I don't see why there needs to be a distinction.

In the character P&A section, I saw that several have access to all or most spells/incantations.

What would be the justification for someone having access to all of them? And what does "has access to most of x" mean?

Like:
(Uses Dragon Communion incantations)

Does this mean "is the standard and knows some spells"?
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Also, I think you're wasting a bit of the general Q&A page you created?

For example, using Eleonora.

She has that.

Agheel's Flame and Greyoll's Roar are already indexed abilities on the general page. Listing them here seems to make the page a bit useless.

Couldn't it be like this?

• Magic (Incantations: Dragon Communion - Unique Abilities: Agheel's Flame and Greyoll's Roar)

In the case of Astel you could put:

• Magic (Sorceries: Gravity - Unique Abilities: All)

I think this standardizes indexing better.

For characters that have more it could be a pattern like this:

• Magic (Sorceries: x, y and z; Incantations: a, b and c)
  • Unique Abilities (x) - (name of the spell), ...
  • Unique Abilities ( y ) -
  • Unique Abilities (z) -
  • Unique Abilities (a) - (name of the spell/Incantation)

It would probably be pretty big for guys who have a lot of stuff (cough cough the player), but I don't know, it seems like a more standardized way to show it on the character page while also taking advantage of the entire general P&A page.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I intended to edit the pages P&A sections to be structured like this, but also that entails doing a much larger CRT on the entirety of some character's P&A sections which I didn't want to get into rn in order to get this out.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I made edits up to Radahn. How does it look? If you think it's acceptable, then what I'll do is the following:

Yes, it would be like that.

Just be careful in cases where a character has more than one school and is "all" in one but not in the other. Because I think it would be confusing to know which school that "all" belongs to.

You'd probably have to use the second model? Well, I'll leave it to you.

1. Mass edit the [[Magic]] tag to link to the Elden Ring Magic page and edit the [[Status Effect Inducment]] stuff to also link to that page

Couldn't you just update this in your sandbox now to: [[Elden Ring Magic|Magic]],[[Elden Ring Magic|Status Effect Induction]]?

Basically, if you put this in your sandbox, it creates a link to a page that doesn't yet exist (the text will be red). Then, when you create the Elden Ring Magic page, I'm almost certain all the links will turn blue and go to the created page (you can confirm with a content moderator).

Then you won't need to change the [[]] to do this after creating the Elden Ring Magic page.

 

[Hasty12345]

I agree

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yes, it would be like that.

Bump.

Alright, so I've edited everyone. If you all can take one last look, I'll start applying everything.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Alright, so I've edited everyone. If you all can take one last look, I'll start applying everything.

In Ash of War, wouldn't it be good to indicate the category? Because since we want to use the entire general Q&A page, it would also be good to clearly indicate where to find this power, wouldn't it?

For example, I'll use the one below.
Rennala

• Superhuman Physical Characteristics
• Magic
  • Sorceries: Glintstone - Unique Abilities: Comet Azura, Glintstone Cometshard, Shattering Crystal, and Glintstone Pebbles
  • Sorceries: Carian - Unique Abilities: All
  • Sorceries: Moon - Unique Abilities: Rennala's Full Moon
  • Ashes of War - Unique Abilities: Spinning Weapon
  • Transmutation (Can turn her Juvenile Scholars into tomes to use them as projectiles)
  • Summoning (Can summon spirits to help her in battle)
• Resurrection (Brought her Juvenile Scholars back to life through her attempts at reincarnation though they ended up mindless)
• Biological Manipulation (Can change the Tarnished's appearance)
• Statistics Amplification & Reduction (Can allow the Tarnished to change their attributes with Rebirth providing they possess a Larval Tear)
• Flight/Levitation
• Likely many others in her prime

The guy will have to go through all these categories:
Standard
Heavy
Keen
Quality
Magic
Fire
Flame
Lightning
Sacred
Poison
Blood
Cold
Occult

Until he finds the "Spinning Weapon" power.

Wouldn't it be better to indicate the Ash of War category the same way it is done with magic and Incantations?

Something like

Magic

• Sorceries: Glintstone - Unique Abilities: Comet Azura, Glintstone Cometshard, Shattering Crystal, and Glintstone Pebbles
• Sorceries: Carian - Unique Abilities: All
• Sorceries: Moon - Unique Abilities: Rennala's Full Moon

Ashes of War

• Heavy - Unique Abilities: Upward Cut
• Magic - Unique Abilities: Spinning Weapon

Maybe you could even divide it like this in the profiles so you don't have to repeat "Sorceries:" all the time, something like that.

Sorceries

• Glintstone - Unique Abilities: Comet Azura, Glintstone Cometshard, Shattering Crystal, and Glintstone Pebbles
• Carian - Unique Abilities: All
• Moon - Unique Abilities: Rennala's Full Moon

Incantations

• Bestial - Unique Abilities: Beast Claw
• Black Flame - Unique Abilities: Black Flame's Protection

Ashes of War

• Heavy - Unique Abilities: Upward Cut
• Magic - Unique Abilities: Spinning Weapon

Sorry for saying something all the time, I'm just thinking of a way to show this.

I don't want to bother you too much.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Sorry for saying something all the time, I'm just thinking of a way to show this.

Made the changes and I'll start applying everything

 

[Qawsedf234]

Alright, I've applied everything. At some point, I'll make a smaller CRT for the profiles with only a handful of powers to get them on the same page.

Thanks for the help everyone!