From This Point. (Instant Death)

[Zamnnishere]

High-Godly Regeneration Elaborate

Rick Sword has reached conceptual capabilities he is able to destroy or "slash" on a conceptual level.

This should apply to all of his sword attacks that possess "God-Slaying" Concept that capable to attack concept, even rick felt UEG presence had vanished

Although it is not explicitly stated that the "Concept" of UEG was erased/destroyed, the sword itself has been emphasized from the beginning as being capable of reaching conceptual-level feats in the same context.

And for this scan;
He just doesn't know how it works, that doesn't mean the statement is wrong, because again, the presence of the UEG has vanished.

As we know, presence is tangible proof of existence. If there is presence, then there is certainly existence. However, if the body is erased and the presence is gone, then logically, that should equate to the destruction of the related concept.


Then this;
In this case, it is a logical conclusion that any rational being would reach:

If one knows that destroying the "vessel" or "body" of a god is meaningless, then eliminating every concept of its existence would be the proper decision. However, that does not directly mean "death" or "destruction," since UEG truly revived after being destroyed by Rick, even on the conceptual things.

I think this scan enough for the criteria.

Accordingly, it should go back to High-Godly.

Agree :

Disagree : @SweetDao @Ultimuru @Youngwolf-0.1 @BoastJr @Dark_Soul20189

Neutral :

 

[SweetDao]

Damn wasn't aware of this thread... (Well I wasn't active much so maybe it's due to that)

Anyway, I'll bypass the meaningless stuff and just goes to the important element.

Then this;
In this case, it is a logical conclusion that any rational being would reach:

If one knows that destroying the "vessel" or "body" of a god is meaningless, then eliminating every concept of its existence would be the proper decision. However, that does not directly mean "death" or "destruction," since UEG truly revived after being destroyed by Rick, even on the conceptual things.

I think this scan enough for the criteria.

Actually, destroying the body of a God isn't "meaningless", it stops them from coming back, and they have to wait for resurrection at some point in the future. (See Malnarilna, etc)

If you're strong enough, tho, you can bypass this and come back instantly. UEG is a good example, as you laid out.

However, you're mistaken in how "conceptual attack" works in ID. Here, "killing the concept of someone" doesn't mean "destroying it" or "erasing it", it means killing everything that is under said concept. For example, he doesn't kill "the concept of UEG" but "everything that is called UEG". Maybe you could argue for Mid-Godly assuming it destroys their mind/soul too, but I don't think that's the case personally.

As it is explained, Rick (and his sword) gets a buff against Divine-Beings, meaning that "anything declared as God" will be subjected to this buff (or debuff).

There is a similar event happening in another novel, I forgot the chapter but if needed I'll make an effort to find it back:

It's really a simple thing; just make use of a Daimao (Demon King) destruction attack — If said target happens to be a Demon King; no matter whatever it is that they do; it's a sure-hit and a guaranteed destruction. That is how conceptual attacks work.

Once again, it doesn't state anywhere that "the concept of Demon King" would be erased, simply that everything "related to Demon Kings" will be affected.
Besides this, Luu (with all her power, meaning on par with UEG in terms of strength) died under the hand of Gorbagion when (unless I missed it) there was never any mention of him using conceptual manipulation or whatever, YET, we have Kouryu explaining that "she will come back since the concept of death doesn't apply to her" meaning she'll resurrect later down the line. Of course, you could argue that Gorbagion "conceptually erased Luu" but frankly, this is supported by nothing in the novel so it would be very hard to do so.

The second last scan doesn't work for me.

So yeah, I don't agree with it tbf.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Disagree FRA.

 

[BoastJr]

Yeah, Dao makes the most sense here

Pretty sure most of this was already answered before by him

 

[Ultimuru]

Agree... With Dao.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

You are a swordsman who has killed gods, and you possess a holy sword designed for such. That combination should reinforce your god-slaying capability on a conceptual level.

Powerscalers trying to understand rhetorical figures: impossible challenge.

 

[Zamnnishere]

However, you're mistaken in how "conceptual attack" works in ID. Here, "killing the concept of someone" doesn't mean "destroying it" or "erasing it", it means killing everything that is under said concept. For example, he doesn't kill "the concept of UEG" but "everything that is called UEG". Maybe you could argue for Mid-Godly assuming it destroys their mind/soul too, but I don't think that's the case personally.

As it is explained, Rick (and his sword) gets a buff against Divine-Beings, meaning that "anything declared as God" will be subjected to this buff (or debuff).

There is a similar event happening in another novel, I forgot the chapter but if needed I'll make an effort to find it back:

Once again, it doesn't state anywhere that "the concept of Demon King" would be erased, simply that everything "related to Demon Kings" will be affected.

If Rick fights all that are declared as gods, then he gains a buff from that concept. So why would he say something like this?

"You are a swordsman who has killed gods, and you possess a holy sword designed for such. That combination should reinforce your god-slaying capability on a conceptual level."

Isn’t it already clear that such a buff (a conceptual attack) only applies to what is declared as a god? It is still an attack on the concept, but more specifically directed toward everything declared as a god.

Rick had once used the Holy Sword Orz to kill the goddess Vahanato. That fact lent him a conceptual advantage in killing gods.

Since Rick killed Vanahato with the Holy Sword that possesses God-Slaying, it lent him a conceptual level (against gods). That should serve as proof that Rick is indeed still attacking the concept, though only the concept of gods.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Yeah, sweetdao makes sense here

 

[SweetDao]

If Rick fights all that are declared as gods, then he gains a buff from that concept. So why would he say something like this?

I mean, yeah, he gets a buff against Gods? The quote I brought is from another novel but still within the universe of ID, so that was just to explain how conceptual attacks works in-verse.

Isn’t it already clear that such a buff (a conceptual attack) only applies to what is declared as a god? It is still an attack on the concept, but more specifically directed toward everything declared as a god.

Yeah, that much is fine, he is effective AGAINST Gods. That's it, he doesn't destroy the concept of Gods or whatever.

Since Rick killed Vanahato with the Holy Sword that possesses God-Slaying, it lent him a conceptual level (against gods). That should serve as proof that Rick is indeed still attacking the concept, though only the concept of gods.

The sword didn't possess the concept of "God-Slaying" at first, it's only when Rick killed Vahanato that it gained that "concept".

Really, this is just him getting a buff against a specife race/type of beings.

 

[Zamnnishere]

I mean, yeah, he gets a buff against Gods? The quote I brought is from another novel but still within the universe of ID, so that was just to explain how conceptual attacks works in-verse.

Yeah, that much is fine, he is effective AGAINST Gods. That's it, he doesn't destroy the concept of Gods or whatever.

The sword didn't possess the concept of "God-Slaying" at first, it's only when Rick killed Vahanato that it gained that "concept".

Really, this is just him getting a buff against a specife race/type of beings.

So that’s not a conceptual attack at all? Then we should remove the "Conceptual Manipulation" ability from Rick or other Instant Death character profile(with the similiar feats).

Because in the end, it only provides a buff (which is not a conceptual attack at all).

 

[SweetDao]

So that’s not a conceptual attack at all? Then we should remove the "Conceptual Manipulation" ability from Rick’s profile.

Because in the end, it only provides a buff (which is not a conceptual attack at all).

His type 1 should go, yeah, but ig he could keep the type 3, explaining that he's effective against Gods and that his attack will always work/guarantee destruction.

 

[Ultimuru]

Did this upgrade actually results in downgrade?

 

[Zamnnishere]

His type 1 should go, yeah, but ig he could keep the type 3, explaining that he's effective against Gods and that his attack will always work/guarantee destruction.

“He shouldn’t receive any type at all, as you said, it’s merely a buff and not a conceptual attack whatsoever.

 

[Zamnnishere]

His type 1 should go, yeah, but ig he could keep the type 3, explaining that he's effective against Gods and that his attack will always work/guarantee destruction.

i'll make new thread after this for removing these.

 

[Zamnnishere]

Did this upgrade actually results in downgrade?

yeah, myb

 

[Zamnnishere]

i think this thread should be closed.

 

[SweetDao]

“He shouldn’t receive any type at all, as you said, it’s merely a buff and not a conceptual attack whatsoever.

It's still some sort of "conceptual manipulation" if his sword is embedded with a specific concept tho

 

[Zamnnishere]

It's still some sort of "conceptual manipulation" if his sword is embedded with a specific concept tho

nope, since he doesn't manipulate any concepts it wouldn't qualify, maybe just a blessing