Immeasurable speed vs Temporal Omnipresence

[supertomioka]

If perhaps an omnipresent character (3s 1t) where to fight a character with baseline immeasurable speed how would they interact?
When I say interact I mean
• who would blitz
• who would attack first ?

Another thing is if said omnipresent character temporally omnipresent in one time dimension but with 5 spacial axis would a character that's 5th dimensional with immeasurable speed of 2 temporal dimensions be faster ?

And lastly can a finite speed character be 1A and be slower than characters they are qualitative superior to ?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

1. For the temporal omnipresence and immeasurable stuff it becomes a range issue for the person with immeasurable speed and I don't think the immeasurable speed person could do anything without proper range.

2. Omnipresence is really just irrelevant to speed.

3. No. 1-A existences inherently aren't finite speeds.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

If perhaps an omnipresent character (3s 1t) where to fight a character with baseline immeasurable speed how would they interact?
When I say interact I mean
• who would blitz
• who would attack first ?

That requires us to know the range of both. That is, whether the omnipresent character is such on a Low 2-C scale or any higher scale up to 2-A, and whether the immeasurable speed character has immeasurablea speed on a Low 2C scale or higher.

If the scales are unequal, however has higher range would blitz. If it's equal, however, than the omnipresent character would "blitz" (well not really since it's not speed but...) insofar as that an immeasurable character needs to "move" to some point to go there, while the Omnipresent character is already there from the start due to its nature.

Another thing is if said omnipresent character temporally omnipresent in one time dimension but with 5 spacial axis would a character that's 5th dimensional with immeasurable speed of 2 temporal dimensions be faster ?

Rather than being faster, you'd need to see which one has higher range. Since there are multiple spatial and temporal dimensions involved here, you'll need to check the order of the spatial and temporal dimensions (which dimension overarched which other dimension) to determine who's "faster" insofar as having higher range.

And lastly can a finite speed character be 1A and be slower than characters they are qualitative superior to ?

No. By default, we assume a 1-A is "faster" than any qualitatively lower character. This is because no matter how "fast" a lower character is, unless qualitatively so, they are only covering fictional distance, which is practically nothing to a tier 1-A as it covers more real distance. Like, let's say a character moves to another Galaxy in a short time, that's still simply a page or fiction to a 1-A and thus, the lower tier character didn't cover any actual/real distance in the eyes of the 1-A.

 

[supertomioka]

No. By default, we assume a 1-A is "faster" than any qualitatively lower character. This is because no matter how "fast" a lower character is, unless qualitatively so, they are only covering fictional distance, which is practically nothing to a tier 1-A as it covers more real distance. Like, let's say a character moves to another Galaxy in a short time, that's still simply a page or fiction to a 1-A and thus, the lower tier character didn't cover any actual/real distance in the eyes of the 1-A.

This is true but however account for characters view their verse as fictional but aren't qualitatively superior to them, would this make them "faster" and with the case of reality equalization what happens then ? They still keep their finite speed in my opinion

Rather than being faster, you'd need to see which one has higher range. Since there are multiple spatial and temporal dimensions involved here, you'll need to check the order of the spatial and temporal dimensions (which dimension overarched which other dimension) to determine who's "faster" insofar as having higher range

In speed temporal dimensions matter more right ? Wouldn't the higher temporal dimension snap shot the lower one in this case snapshot the temporal omnipresence akin to how an omnipresent character in space would get snap shot by time . So wouldnt the concept of range be in context to temporal dimensions and not spatial ?

That requires us to know the range of both. That is, whether the omnipresent character is such on a Low 2-C scale or any higher scale up to 2-A, and whether the immeasurable speed character has immeasurablea speed on a Low 2C scale or higher.

The assumption here is when both are equal

If the scales are unequal, however has higher range would blitz. If it's equal, however, than the omnipresent character would "blitz" (well not really since it's not speed but...) insofar as that an immeasurable character needs to "move" to some point to go there, while the Omnipresent character is already there from the start due to its nature.

This is true in a "race" but in a fight it's not we cannot assume that an omnipresent character despite already occupying that position can react or attack on an immeasurable speed character level , an example of this is infinite zamasu being omnipresent but his attacks and reactions are still just mftl so we'd need proof that they can react or attack an any other speed tier first despite their state of being . So the immeasurable character in this case would "blitz"

. For the temporal omnipresence and immeasurable stuff it becomes a range issue for the person with immeasurable speed and I don't think the immeasurable speed person could do anything without proper range

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3. No. 1-A existences inherently aren't finite speeds.

Why ¿

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

This is true but however account for characters view their verse as fictional but aren't qualitatively superior to them, would this make them "faster" and with the case of reality equalization what happens then ? They still keep their finite speed in my opinion

Well if we do reality equalization (make both 1-A or non 1-A) then their speed would be decided by the other feats they have. Like let's say the 1-A had a feat of some X-finite speed on his own qualitative level. That will become his next speed rating.

In speed temporal dimensions matter more right ? Wouldn't the higher temporal dimension snap shot the lower one in this case snapshot the temporal omnipresence akin to how an omnipresent character in space would get snap shot by time . So wouldnt the concept of range be in context to temporal dimensions and not spatial ?

Indeed, but the order of spatio-temporal dimensions also matter. A character who can travel in the 5th spatial dimension can obviously outrange a being only capable of moving in 4D time. Vice versa is possible too with 4th spatial and 5th temporal dimension.

The difference between temporal and spatial dimensions is insofar as that we by default assume that a temporal dimension (flow of time) is infinite, unlike spatial dimensions that need to prove their significant size.

The assumption here is when both are equal

Then the Omnipresent being would 'outspeed' (or outrange) the immeasurable speed character for the same reason I described above.

This is true in a "race" but in a fight it's not we cannot assume that an omnipresent character despite already occupying that position can react or attack on an immeasurable speed character level , an example of this is infinite zamasu being omnipresent but his attacks and reactions are still just mftl so we'd need proof that they can react or attack an any other speed tier first despite their state of being . So the immeasurable character in this case would "blitz"

Well, that depends on the type of attacks a character can do. If he can significantly effect the entire structure he encompasses and is omnipresent in, it would obviously out-speed an immeasurable speed character. On the other hand, if they can only attack through attacks that have an origin point and need to travel in space, then their 'attack speed' would be decided by whatever speed said attack is shown to have (finite, infinite or immeasurable).

Why ¿

Because they can travel a distance qualitatively superior to any amount of non 1-A spatial or temporal distance. The property of real-ness applies to Space too, and thus distance as well.

 

[supertomioka]

Because they can travel a distance qualitatively superior to any amount of non 1-A spatial or temporal distance. The property of real-ness applies to Space too, and thus distance as well.

Well yes if them being "fast" in relation to lesser realities and in the case of 1A vs 1A would that superiority even matter ?
And for the others we are on the same page


Totally out of context but why is rimuru 4C did I read the same novels at least aren't there higher temporal dimensions for tensura like the world line for a higher cosmology instead of 2-A

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Well yes if them being "fast" in relation to lesser realities and in the case of 1A vs 1A would that superiority even matter ?

Just a matter of indexing. In versus threads its mostly irrelevant unless one is not using RE for whatever reason.

Totally out of context but why is rimuru 4C did I read the same novels at least aren't there higher temporal dimensions for tensura like the world line for a higher cosmology instead of 2-A

We can discuss that in the general discussion thread instead of a QnA to avoid any potential heated involvement from other people.