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Ishura Discussion Thread

still reading through vol 5 and enjoying my time. But I like how hirtio is this interesting and seemly chill character when we see his flashback but then when we get back to the present his just like " So anyways we need to bring back slavery" like what 😭😭
 
finished vol 5

gotta say wasn't expecting the reveal of uhlak being the true hero, it makes since but I honestly kind of though shiki might have offed herself with how the true hero was described sometimes. The final battle of round one was also a surprising, quick and straight to the point. It kind of sucks to see Zogi go, especially with him being a once in a life time type of goblin for his people and even hitrio being impacted by his death. it's cool that he still screwed linaris over even in death. It' defntily interesting to see whats gonna happen next volume with so much happening. Definitely interested to see how alus the cyborg and tora the farmer settle things.
 
finished vol 5

gotta say wasn't expecting the reveal of uhlak being the true hero, it makes since but I honestly kind of though shiki might have offed herself with how the true hero was described sometimes. The final battle of round one was also a surprising, quick and straight to the point. It kind of sucks to see Zogi go, especially with him being a once in a life time type of goblin for his people and even hitrio being impacted by his death. it's cool that he still screwed linaris over even in death. It' defntily interesting to see whats gonna happen next volume with so much happening. Definitely interested to see how alus the cyborg and tora the farmer settle things.
I think the only one who could beat Uhlak is Mestelexil his ability to adapt and form weapons is supernatural but the attacks from them wouldn't be like the micrawave heat blast. Plus he has the distance advantage
 
I think the only one who could beat Uhlak is Mestelexil his ability to adapt and form weapons is supernatural but the attacks from them wouldn't be like the micrawave heat blast. Plus he has the distance advantage
His ability to adopt is predicated on him surviving. Uhlak would just shut him down(negate his immortal to) or anything he could throw at him
 
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I believe Hirohito states who would instantly lose to Uhak at some stage. The only people that can really fight him are people like Gobita and possibly someone like Kazuki the Black Tone or maybe Sojirou (although I believe they fought and Uhak was able to nullify his supernatural swordsmanship skill somehow). I honestly don't know if there is many characters that can even pass the condition of the fight starting and his ability activating automatically to even fight him, let alone actually dealing with the fact that hes ridiculously strong and quick.

Even against people his ability doesn't work on like Shiki still lost to him cause of his unique condition meaning her ability didn't affect his soul enough to prevent him from acting. He's kind of just busted, and he sort of reminds me of Iihiko Shishime from Medaka box who just nullifies anything he doesn't find cool and fresh but with way less conditions.
 
starting vol 6

Already off to a pretty crazy start with tora v alus and tora offing himself to break the cycle and find his own peace was rough. And alus seemly going insane from the mechanical regen item(forgot it's name) and squaring up to aurteia is not something I expected at all.
 
Also another interesting speed feat
Alus had made the mud adhere to the sword in order to delay the release of its ability by a fraction of a second-quicker than a flash of light.


All of this was premeditated in order to ensure that Toroa grabbed a different sword.


"Wicked Sword-"


As he scorched Alus with the Burning Blade's heat wave, his other arm held Wicked Sword Selfesk.


The maneuver to effectively utilize the wedges was simultaneous assembly. The wedges that had been fired into the stone crag to provide Alus with footing peppered the Star Runner from all directions.


The metallic shards became embedded in Alus's spread wings, and the magnetism dragged him in along with them. This was how Toroa was trying to close the distance.


Toroa couldn't stop his forward momentum. If he stopped his


legs now, they would never move again.


"You're...different. You're not Toroa the Awful."


"No, I'm still Toroa the Awful!"


Alus had deployed the mud blades and Ground Runner's flames.


He lost a finger and an eye as he persisted. With his body wreathed in flames, he pushed forward. His prioritization of autonomous magic items was proof that he didn't have any reprieve to aim his musket.


If Alus was prepared to take any attack thrown at him, Toroa had to be ready for the very same. If he took a moment to defend himself, his legs would stop entirely.
-vol 6 pg 40
 
Also another interesting speed feat
-vol 6 pg 40
Interesting feat but might be a bit contradictory with other things. Spoiler read after the fight.

Shulk being stated to be a bit faster than lightning.

and the author stating only a few can people could keep up with Shulk like Soujirou would also fall underneath that tier.

Although some characters do have lightspeed things.

I would like to form a speed feat list after all round ones.
 
Interesting feat but might be a bit contradictory with other things. Spoiler read after the fight.

Shulk being stated to be a bit faster than lightning.

and the author stating only a few can people could keep up with Shulk like Soujirou would also fall underneath that tier.

Although some characters do have lightspeed things.

I would like to form a speed feat list after all round ones.
I haven't finished the fight yet but already this is just more support for ls to ftl stuff. Firstly it says he moved a bit faster then the flash of lighting and second he dodged that easily, it wasn't stated or implied that he was going at max speed to dodge the lighting bullet.
 
I haven't finished the fight yet but already this is just more support for ls to ftl stuff. Firstly it says he moved a bit faster then the flash of lighting and second he dodged that easily, it wasn't stated or implied that he was going at max speed to dodge the lighting bullet.
I will have to reread it
 
finished vol 6

, and I gotta say that was a lot(shorter then other volumes but a lot still) It definitely makes me sad to see another shura go but at least it was by the hands of his best friend. Same for tora to, at least he went out his way. I'm still curios if izik is still kicking around, I never expected him to just up and come back from the grave the first time. maybe his died from shiki again or is in some cave watching over his daughter. I also wanna just get all the volumes and just re read some stuff because I feel like a lot of this stuff would hit harder if I had a fresher memory. But regardless I enjoyed this rather short volume and will be trying to get my hands on the next one.
 
I will have to reread it
This is also what I was referring to
movements would have been restricted by the wire's tension, and Shalk, jumping from the bell tower, would have created the perfect opportunity to run his skull through. And he can still fly, too?


Had he missed Alus's internal organs by a stroke of bad luck? Or perhaps, was there some unknown magic item at his disposal that made it possible to keep fighting, even in his current state?


I'm dubious that I'll be able to follow through with a frontal attack but, well, no other choice here. Escaping from his restraints, Alus didn't pursue Shalk.


Instead, a lightning bullet was brought down on him.Shalk ran a bit faster than the flash of lightning and evaded the trajectory of the bolt before it bored into the earth.


As he escaped, he never for a moment dropped his sight from his enemy in the sky. Alus was flying upside down. In this situation, he couldn't afford to ignore the Aureatia army's cannon barrage, either.


Being on the ground was, in fact, the superior position against


an enemy forced to watch the sky.


"...They're getting in the way..."


"You use a gun, but you're scared of bullets? Quite the ordeal


there, Alus the Star Runner."


Even a single shot hitting the tip of his wing should have been more than the wyvern could afford. While he adjusted his slightly off-set flight, he would get hit with the incessant storm of scatter shots. This was the reason why shrapnel fire, each individual shot having a low impact, was effective against wyverns.


Conversely, Shalk the Sound Slicer didn't even possess the
Pg 120
 
This is also what I was referring to



Pg 120
[/SPOILER]
A flash of lightning is colloquial regarded as the lightning not so much specifically just the light, especially in powerscaling we had to directly indicate it means the light specially. Plus it also talks about the lightning bullet in the same sentence.
 
I'm currently going to be rereading all of vol 1 and 2 so I can find some feats that I may have missed and ad to the pages list. Which then I'll create pages for characters and fix update the stats of current ones.
 
A flash of lightning is colloquial regarded as the lightning not so much specifically just the light, especially in powerscaling we had to directly indicate it means the light specially. Plus it also talks about the lightning bullet in the same sentence.
It's pretty clearly regarded as to separate things, it says he moved faster then the flash and got out of the way of the trajectory of the actually bolt. the flash and the actually bolt of lighting are all coming from the bullet so I don't really see why that matters.
 
Also found some other speed stuff for vol 6

Shall stated to be faster then any know phenomenon
A steel beam pierced through Alus's stomach.


"That's one hell of a reaction time, Star Runner."


"....!"


Blood began to trickle along the thin steel beam.


His enemy's attack had come before his voice had time to reach Alus.


Not only that, but the owner of the voice was already in front of Alus.


The weapon that had just launched the steel beam at him was a magic item that Alus had once possessed for himself. It had been lost during his battle with Lucnoca the Winter-Heshed Elis the Fire Pipe.


"Fastest in the sky. Truth is, I've always been envious of that moniker of yours."


On top of a leaning bell tower in the abandoned district stood a lone skeleton.


In other words, the Aureatia army had already incorporated Alus's breaking through the storm of cannon fire into their plans...


In order to prevent the wyvern from sensing the approach of someone faster than any known phenomena...


"Give me a name like that, too." ...they had called in Shalk the Sound Slicer.
Pg 117

Alus dodges the cold star beam
ground, it would be correct for him to consider that to mean Shalk had some sort of strategy to overcome Alus's methods of attack once he did.


These two... what's their reason for still getting in my way....?


He looked across the area. The district below him was dyed in an ominous dark red from the flames, but the city of Aureatia stretching out across the edge of the horizon still remained totally untouched.


If I destroy that area instead, I wonder what they'll do......


Guess I'll give it a try...


Shalk's determination to keep his hold on Heshed Elis the Fire Pipe despite how fiercely Alus was attacking meant that he had a reason not to let it go. In which case, if he erased that reason without killing the man himself, Alus could get ahold of the treasure he was after.


There was no need for him to enter into his enemy's attack range.


Alus instead increased his flight speed in order to gauge his route.


...The air was quivering ever so slightly.


From far off in the direction of the fortress, there appeared to be a light of some kind.


The upper quadrant of the sky exploded, and Alus descended.


A deathly beam of light, brighter than the midday sun, cut through the clouds and passed right above Alus's head.


He had been forced to make an evasive maneuver by decelerating in midair.



Burning the atmosphere. Destruction. Heat.
Pg 196

cold star reconfirmed to be a light beam multiple times and alus blocks the beam with the great shield of the dead
dazzling light was launched in between the buildings, standing like shadows, as if threading a needle.


The beam of light the Cold Star radiated didn't produce any


sound itself.


The light pierced through iron towers. The roofs of private citizens' homes were melted.


The shrieking roar that echoed across the sky was the result of the air above its line of fire being heated up and exploding.


With the sniper rifles that existed in this world, hitting a target from 2,500 meters was close to impossible.


However, the Cold Star fired light. Therefore, there was no need to heed gravity, the impact of the wind, or the rotation of the planet. With this, a big difference between it and a normal gun was its firing range and its duration.


Even if it missed the target by the time it reached it, it was possible to shift the light beam, as well as place the attack along the target's expected path. The weapon had characteristics that were completely unlike any of the firearms up until now.


Meanwhile, Dally the Coin Repeller himself was a test shooter who specialized in handling the weapons of the Beyond more than anyone else among Kate's camp, and he continued to adapt to new emerging tactical strategies.


"Hurry up and crash already, Star Runner."


Through the light shield on the optical scope, he saw Alus's


silhouette get hit by the Cold Star.


He had taken a direct hit. Before, Alus had sensed Dally's first


shot and descended down lower into the city, but—
Something felt off.


He understood why Alus's figure remained intact after getting hit by the cannon. He had activated the Greatshield of the Dead,


That wasn't all.


His descent speed is slow.


There was even enough time for him to put these thoughts into


words.


That silhouette. What if, in fact, that wasn't actually Alus the


Star Runner?


Dally thought he saw a flash of light behind the silhouette.


He carried up a corpse from the fifth borough of the Eastern


Outer Ward. He's having...


It was too late. Who could have possibly imagined until witnessing it for themselves...that he had a means to fly and counter-attack, all while he readied a shield against the fatal light beam?


...that corpse use the Greatshield of the Dead for him.


The target was bigger, and heavy. That was why, this time,


Dally had scored a direct hit.


A lightning flash.


A magic lightning bullet was fired back at the small tower of


the Third Fortress where Dally stood.


I'm dead, he thought.


He still thought so as a loud roar of thunder echoed around


him.


A bright something-flames—cut across, right before Dally's eyes. Cutting off the arc of Alus's lightning, it looked like a midday meteor rushing by.

Pg 217-218
 
yeh a 'flash' doesn't mean the attack was lightspeed. If you could swing your sword hard enough it would generate light just from the sheer friction which would look like a flash anyway.
 
yeh a 'flash' doesn't mean the attack was lightspeed. If you could swing your sword hard enough it would generate light just from the sheer friction which would look like a flash anyway.
I’m not talking about the bolt, I’m talking about the literal light emitting from it and shalk moving faster then that as stated in the novel.
 
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