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Kai (Ninjago) vs Grand Kai (DB Toei) [7-1-0] (GRACE ENDED)

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Somebody forgotten to replace chi manipulation with ki manipulation in Grand Kai's profile.

What prevents him from using something like Kiai to nullify Kai's attacks?
 
Greatsage13th said:
Somebody forgotten to replace chi manipulation with ki manipulation in Grand Kai's profile.

What prevents him from using something like Kiai to nullify Kai's attacks?
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He may be able to nullify blasts from Kai which can cause some trouble, but the Fire Ninja has power mimicry allowing him to copy any powers he wants as soon as he touch his opponent. He also has power absorption
 
Greatsage13th said:
Doesn't it only absorbs elemental powers?
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I specifically added SBA for a reason

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Also, Kai can use his Mind hax to causes headaches to Grand and weaken him so he can blast him more easly
 
Lloydblitzed said:
I specifically added SBA for a reason

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Also, Kai can use his Mind hax to causes headaches to Grand and weaken him so he can blast him more easly
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Kai can also passively intimidate Kai at the start due to being far more powerful than him. Allowing Kai to knock him out in that split second of intimidation.
 
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Two Kais fightning will be a fire battle
Either way vote for Ninjago Kai via outhaxing, although KI manipulation will cover most of it, but things like Durability Negation, Speed Boost, Power Absorption and Power Mimicry would carry
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Two Kais fightning will be a fire battle
Either way vote for Ninjago Kai via outhaxing, although KI manipulation will cover most of it, but things like Durability Negation, Speed Boost, Power Absorption and Power Mimicry would carry
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Wouldn't the haxes remain untouched if he feels overwhelmed due to the social influencing part of Ki manipulation that intimidates opponents far weaker than them?
 
Greatsage13th said:
Wouldn't the haxes remain untouched if he feels overwhelmed due to the social influencing part of Ki manipulation that intimidates opponents far weaker than them?
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Kai still have a heavy Mind Hax advantage against Grand Kai tho, and he could probably use his speed boost to help him out
 
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Wouldn't the haxes remain untouched if he feels overwhelmed due to the social influencing part of Ki manipulation that intimidates opponents far weaker than them?
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Stuff would corrupt him quite quickly then so I don’t think it is going to be the case. Also how “weaker” should one be for KI to intimidate?
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Stuff would corrupt him quite quickly then so I don’t think it is going to be the case. Also how “weaker” should one be for KI to intimidate?
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1 point something is the absolute minimum required to leave one standing for quite a while in cold sweat just like Piccolo and Shin's first encounter with one another.
 
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Really? It'd still affect him regardless even if he is bloodlusted. How does corrupting oneself make one immune to intimidation.
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Because the effects of bloodlust will continusly kicks in to corrupt Kai, cancelling off the intimidation powers. And how is Kai "far weaker" then Grand Kai for intimidation to work on him at all
 
Lloydblitzed said:
Because the effects of bloodlust will continusly kicks in to corrupt Kai, cancelling off the intimidation powers. And how is Kai "far weaker" then Grand Kai for intimidation to work on him at all
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Star level vs Star level+. That in dragon ball is equivalent to being stun locked for over a minute by merely feeling a massive power difference. Like Cell after amping himself far beyond Piccolo after absorbing Kami he was left gobsmacked. A benefit of Ki manipulation.

Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Star level vs Star level+. That in dragon ball is equivalent to being stun locked for over a minute by merely feeling a massive power difference. Like Cell after amping himself far beyond Piccolo after absorbing Kami he was left gobsmacked. A benefit of Ki manipulation.

Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed.
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Even if he paralyze Kai, what is he going to do once Kai use his Gravity Manipulation (which is thought based) and make him move however he wants to? He can simply use it, make him touch Kai, amps himself up and later outhax him or absorb all of his powers
 
Greatsage13th said:
Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed.
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"Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence"
Yet Kai does not have Enhanced Senses, so he won't be able to feel the power of his aura
 
Lloydblitzed said:
Even if he paralyze Kai, what is he going to do once Kai use his Gravity Manipulation (which is thought based) and make him move however he wants to? He can simply use it, make him touch Kai, amps himself up and later outhax him or absorb all of his powers
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Gravity manipulation isn't even that big of a deal when over half of the characters are capable of shrugging it as if it were just a Sunday stroll. Besides that Kiai is also thought based and would knock Kai out in a pinch.
 
Lloydblitzed said:
"Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence"
Yet Kai does not have Enhanced Senses, so he won't be able to feel the power of his aura
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Enhanced Senses are for the physical stuff, Extrasensory Perception on the other hand is what allows user to feel the non-physicals to begin with it which is on Kai's profile.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Gravity manipulation isn't even that big of a deal when over half of the characters are capable of shrugging it as if it were just a Sunday stroll. Besides that Kiai is also thought based and would knock Kai out in a pinch.
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He can't sense his aura, he can't get affect at all
And Grand Kai got 0 resistances to Gravity Manip, same for Mind hax. Also, Kai can simply teleport away using the Shadow Element, and Mind hax him from afar, as he got planetary range with Mind hax
 
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Enhanced Senses are for the physical stuff, Extrasensory Perception on the other hand is what allows user to feel the non-physicals to begin with it which is on Kai's profile.
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Kai's Extrasensory Perception is based on Enhanced Sigh, not Power Reading, so no, its not gonna work
 
Lloydblitzed said:
He can't sense his aura, he can't get affect at all
And Grand Kai got 0 resistances to Gravity Manip, same for Mind hax.
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The strength of Gravity Manipulation is dependant on one's lifting strength and when anyone sees a Superhuman LS up against Class P LS. It's clear that Gravity Manipulation ain't doing jack.
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Also, Kai can simply teleport away using the Shadow Element, and Mind hax him from afar, as he got planetary range with Mind hax
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That's never in-character with him to begin with.
 
Lloydblitzed said:
Kai's Extrasensory Perception is based on Enhanced Sigh, not Power Reading, so no, its not gonna work
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Vegeta couldn't even detect the power of someone without the use of a scouter back in the Saiyan Saga yet he was intimidated when Goku used Kaioken x 3 when he didn't even have the scouter on.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Star level vs Star level+. That in dragon ball is equivalent to being stun locked for over a minute by merely feeling a massive power difference. Like Cell after amping himself far beyond Piccolo after absorbing Kami he was left gobsmacked. A benefit of Ki manipulation.

Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed.
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First of all I have no idea how that is Social Influencing to be honest, if it works the way you describe (those who are weaker will automatically fear and get paralyzed). It is more of Passive Fear Aura, Mind Manipulation, Passive Paralysis Inducement/Status Effect Inducement, etc.

But from what I read, it says "can sense their presence through the power of their auras…” which I assume is why it is Social Influencing, because the person should sense their presence by extraordinary means (just like KI users do to each other). Well, the problem is. Ninjago Kai has nothing like that to begin with.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Vegeta couldn't even detect the power of someone without the use of a scouter back in the Saiyan Saga yet he was intimidated when Goku used Kaioken x 3 when he didn't even have the scouter on.
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Then it is Passive Fear Inducement/Mind Manipulation/Status Effect Inducement/Paralysis Inducement. Also why that detail is missed on the profile/page then? It is VERY important in versus match-ups.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Vegeta couldn't even detect the power of someone without the use of a scouter back in the Saiyan Saga yet he was intimidated when Goku used Kaioken x 3 when he didn't even have the scouter on.
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Kai can't sense his aura at all, making this hax useless.
Vegeta's scouter is used to mesure power levels, that doesn't mean he can't detect the power of someone/his aura without it
 
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