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Kengan-verse revision(3'rd attempt)
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Looks alright
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Overall, I agree.
Though about who scales and stuff is the real problem here. Kuroki should be comparable to Shen Wulong in terms of speed considering the fact that he could content with him, even though it was short. Gaoh Mukaku too (probably since I don’t remember his feat that well).
Though about who scales and stuff is the real problem here. Kuroki should be comparable to Shen Wulong in terms of speed considering the fact that he could content with him, even though it was short. Gaoh Mukaku too (probably since I don’t remember his feat that well).
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None of them scale because they fought against a frivolous Shen who didn't even try
WanderingGecko
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Kuroki too wasn’t trying. And iirc he could match Rei’s speed and defend against it in his match using pre-initiative. So there should be a few characters who scale to him.
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Kuroki's non-seriousness and Shen's non-seriousness are completely different things.
Kuroki didn't give it his all, but he admitted his helplessness and intended to kill.
Shen did not use any techniques at all, relying only on his strength, I would be completely relaxed.
Kuroki used the Devil Spear, his main weapon. Shen used one hand slap and one kick.
Kuroki didn't give it his all, but he admitted his helplessness and intended to kill.
Shen did not use any techniques at all, relying only on his strength, I would be completely relaxed.
Kuroki used the Devil Spear, his main weapon. Shen used one hand slap and one kick.
WanderingGecko
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Yes, but that doesn’t deny the fact that none of them gave it their all + people should scale to Mikazuchi’s feat in other ways.
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Doesn't matter if they gave it their all or not. If I spar with a 10 year old and I throw a punch which they dodge, would they be relative to me at full power because we were both holding back?
We don't know what degree each character is holding back so we can't scale them to each other based on the fact they are both holding back.
I also don't know what you mean by "people should scale to Mikazuchi’s feat in other ways." Rei was explicitly faster then anyone he fought, including Kuroki.
Kuroki straight up admits that he couldn't even see him during the fight.
No one in the KAT scales to Rei.
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DivineAura44
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Wasn't he blocking by lifting something heavy though? Shouldn't that at least partially explain his need for it?
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Are you guys talking about base Rei scaling or Boosted Rei scaling?
Several characters in the KAT scale (in reaction speed) to base Rei’s dash. But no one scales to R3 Rei. He’s explicitly far faster than anyone in the tournament in that state.
Several characters in the KAT scale (in reaction speed) to base Rei’s dash. But no one scales to R3 Rei. He’s explicitly far faster than anyone in the tournament in that state.
WanderingGecko
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Yeah, what I said.
I’m talking about his base acceleration, not the one where he was practically blitzing everyone.
If Niko scales to Fei, so does Setsuna since they were on even grounds and could react to each others attacks and the same for Edward too.
DivineAura44
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So Kuroki doesn't scale to Shen then lmao
I see. My mistake.
WanderingGecko
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I’ve got no problem with it as long as the others doesn’t scale too.
Also that Inaba calc is unusable as it is an unquantifiable feat. They were pretty much comparable to each other and could trade blows.
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Inaba was in no way comparable to Advance Ohma.
WanderingGecko
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Didn’t they trade blows for a bit? I’ll recheck it to make sure.
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No, they clashed once, then Ohma blitzed him so badly even the narrator stated they were “living at entirely different speeds”
DivineAura44
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You do realize that Shen is like >>>>>> to the rest of the verse, right?
WanderingGecko
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Alright then most of the verse should scale to it.
Yeah I do. What I meant was everyone excluding Shen.
DivineAura44
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You kept implying as if Kuroki was on his level so I was scared.
WanderingGecko
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I was only saying that both of them were equally unserious, not that Kuroki was on his level. Kuroki is still below his level.
DivineAura44
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They fought to a draw in that fight so that's not possible. If I fight at level 16 seriously and you fight at level 20 seriously but when we spar we only go 50%, you'll still be stronger, because I'll be at 8 and you at 10. If they were equally holding back and still equal after holding back, they must therefore have been equal when at full power (which as you say, is not the case).
It's clear Shen was holding back more anyways, Kuroki says that Shen was only using one side of his body. In other words, Shen was more "unserious."
WanderingGecko
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Umm yeah, I only said they were both equally unserious not that their power was at the same level. So I don’t see why this argument is still a thing when I’m literally agreeing on the notion of ‘Shen is stronger than Kuroki’.
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DD Niko and Removal Edward forms will be scale. Their base levels are weaker.
Shen scales directly
WanderingGecko
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Can he even use Divine Demon? Though I agree on Removal Edward scaling since he was practically blitzing everyone there and was only getting hit when weakened.
WanderingGecko
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Bump.
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This thread should be re-made with the actual scaling between characters.
azontr
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Said after every Kengan revision in history.
WanderingGecko
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Sure I’ll make it but I do need some helps with the scans, is anybody willing to help out?
