Kenshiro vs Satan • (0-0-0)

[MichaelCalistro]

This is a very original thread, I think.

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Kenshiro, the Fist of the North Star

VS

Satan, the King of Gods

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End of Series Kenshiro • Post-Divine Realm Satan • Standard Battle Assumptions • Speed is equalized • In a very large indestructible Earth

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[FoxySonicMaster108]

I heard something about Mori having passive AP pressure. Idk if that's in this key as well, but I remember that was what got the original thread closed to begin with, so I think Kenshiro just dies again, even before Muso Tensei activates.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

I heard something about Mori having passive AP pressure. Idk if that's in this key as well, but I remember that was what got the original thread closed to begin with, so I think Kenshiro just dies again, even before Muso Tensei activates.

Passive aura doesn't even exist in his profile outside of his last key, I think people misinterpreted Mori accidentally destroying the Earth by flexing through environmental destruction as passive aura which is not really the case here.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Passive aura doesn't even exist in his profile outside of his last key, I think people misinterpreted Mori accidentally destroying the Earth by flexing through environmental destruction as passive aura which is not really the case here.

Ah okay (I don't know The God of Highschool like that so I'm still unsure), Muso Tensei gg then if that's true, I don't see why Kenshiro wouldn't use it tbh, as Mori is SO much stronger than him, it hurts, and I don't see any NPI that would let Mori interact with it. Might be a mismatch.

 

[DavidTPPM]

This battle was bad before and it's bad now. Either Mori twitches incorrectly and Kenshiro gets atomized or Kenshiro becomes intangible to Mori. Either way it's a completely one sided stomp that ends in seconds

 

[MichaelCalistro]

This battle was bad before and it's bad now. Either Mori twitches incorrectly and Kenshiro gets atomized or Kenshiro becomes intangible to Mori. Either way it's a completely one sided stomp that ends in seconds

I mean what harm can Muso Tensei do to Mori outside of being intangible? Also doesn't Original Power Restored Mori have anything in his disposal that can answer to this after all his upgrades?

 

[DavidTPPM]

I mean what harm can Muso Tensei do to Mori outside of being intangible?

I don’t really care because either he can one tap Mori with some hax or he can't harm him making it a boring incon where it's impossible for either side to win.

Also doesn't Original Power Restored Mori have anything in his disposal that can answer to this after all his upgrades?

Mori Dan's profile only got upgrades to physical stats and hax in his Nirvana key. The only real upgrade this key got is better regen negation which doesn't help him.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

I don’t really care because either he can one tap Mori with some hax or he can't harm him making it a boring incon where it's impossible for either side to win.

Mori Dan's profile only got upgrades to physical stats and hax in his Nirvana key. The only real upgrade this key got is better regen negation which doesn't help him.

Ah okay (I don't know The God of Highschool like that so I'm still unsure), Muso Tensei gg then if that's true, I don't see why Kenshiro wouldn't use it tbh, as Mori is SO much stronger than him, it hurts, and I don't see any NPI that would let Mori interact with it. Might be a mismatch.

I have decided to change Kenshiro's opponent to someone even greater and even more hax than Original Power Restored Mori, but still inferior than Miracle Mori, so now I hope the fight is going somewhere between these two copycat martial artists.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I mean what harm can Muso Tensei do to Mori outside of being intangible? Also doesn't Original Power Restored Mori have anything in his disposal that can answer to this technique after all his upgrades?

The fact that Kenshiro can still attack while using Muso Tensei is an issue, and Mori doesn't have any sort of NPI from what I can tell meaning he can't touch him, and he doesn't resist everything Kenshiro can do, meaning Kenshiro will eventually just find a way to beat him. Like I don't see anything that helps Mori survive being destroyed at the cellular level.

This matchup just does not work I fear.

I have decided to change Kenshiro's opponent to someone even greater and even more hax than Original Power Restored Mori, but still inferior than Miracle Mori, so now I hope the fight is going somewhere between these two copycat martial artists.

This matchup does not work either, for Satan here has HIGH-GODLY REGENERATION, Kenshiro is not getting around that. Mismatch.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

The fact that Kenshiro can still attack while using Muso Tensei is an issue, and Mori doesn't have any sort of NPI from what I can tell meaning he can't touch him, and he doesn't resist everything Kenshiro can do, meaning Kenshiro will eventually just find a way to beat him. Like I don't see anything that helps Mori survive being destroyed at the cellular level.

This matchup just does not work I fear.

This matchup does not work either, for Satan here has HIGH-GODLY REGENERATION, Kenshiro is not getting around that. Mismatch.

But can Satan get pass Muso Tensei? If not, I think we can finally reach inconclusive for once instead of stomp/spite.

 

[Chariot190]

But can Satan get pass Muso Tensei? If not, I think we can finally reach inconclusive for once instead of stomp/spite.

Why are ya deliberately making matches where nobody can do anything dog, that's a mismatch.
Inconclusives that are legit generally have a bit of nuance and still have ways either can win, it's just far less likely compared to the draw, "they literally just stand there because neither can do shit" isn't an actual inconclusive.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

Why are ya deliberately making matches where nobody can do anything dog, that's a mismatch.
Inconclusives that are legit generally have a bit of nuance and still have ways either can win, it's just far less likely compared to the draw, "they literally just stand there because neither can do shit" isn't an actual inconclusive.

In other words, the fight comes down to who outlast who in this fight and see who tires out and gasses out first? Kenshiro will try to kill Satan as much as he can before his opponent calls it a quit or passes out or Satan will figure how long it will take for him to play cat and mouse with Kenshiro until his opponent calls it a quit or passes out, so inconclusive is still possible here in a way, I think.

 

[Chariot190]

In other words, the fight comes down to who outlast who in this fight and see who tires out and gasses out first? Kenshiro will try to kill Satan as much as he can before his opponent calls it a quit or passes out or Satan will figure how long it will take for him to play cat and mouse with Kenshiro until his opponent calls it a quit or passes out, so inconclusive is still possible here in a way, I think.

Why does getting tired matter? One literally can't die and one is automatic for the most part regardless of being tired or not.

Make sure you're reading the profiles being making matches.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

Why does getting tired matter? One literally can't die and one is automatic for the most part regardless of being tired or not.

Make sure you're reading the profiles being making matches.

Where did I mention death being the only win condition for this fight? Satan has limited stamina in his profile regardless of his regeneration, he quitted during his fight against Mori regardless of him still being alive during their fight so he is also bound to quit in this fight against Kenshiro as well at one point lol.

 

[Chariot190]

Where did I mention death being the win condition for this fight? Satan has limited stamina regardless of his regeneration, he quited during his fight against Mori regardless of him still being alive so he also bound to quit in this fight as well at one point lol.

Because Death is the only thing really available here?
And what's stopping him from just taking a breather? His foe can't do shit to him, Ken has nothing that can put him down long enough for incap.
There's nothing that can be done, like actually think this shit through.

And SBA, characters actively don't quit unless coerced. It's why shit like matches with Sans and characters who don't fight even when forced can be a thing.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

Because Death is the only thing really available here?
And what's stopping him from just taking a breather? His foe can't do shit to him, Ken has nothing that can put him down long enough for incap.
There's nothing that can be done, like actually think this shit through.

And SBA, characters actively don't quit unless coerced. It's why shit like matches with Sans and characters who don't fight even when forced can be a thing.

Victory Conditions: Death of the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.

So yeah gassing out/tiring out is a win condition as far as I can see it, so if Satan calls it a quit like he did with Mori, then that's a definite loss.

 

[Chariot190]

Victory Conditions: Death of the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.

So yeah gassing out/tiring out is a win condition as far as I can see it.

Are you REALLY quoting SBA to me? Stop being obnoxious and answer this.
HOW.
How, they can't DO SHIT to each other, they're not gonna get tired and even if they did they'd be able to get their stamina back LONG before shit would count as a win.

Like you really think characters who only need a few minutes of rest at worst, and easily have the means to do so, will get so deadass tired that they'd be completely incapable of combat for a wholeass day?

 

[Ebihara]

Not every matchup will work and you trying to force this one doesn't make it any less of a missmatch.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

Are you REALLY quoting SBA to me? Stop being obnoxious and answer this.
HOW.
How, they can't DO SHIT to each other, they're not gonna get tired and even if they did they'd be able to get their stamina back LONG before shit would count as a win.

Like you really think characters who only need a few minutes of rest at worst, and easily have the means to do so, will get so deadass tired that they'd be completely incapable of combat for a wholeass day?

Satan literally disappeared for couple of years when he quitted against Mori before challenging "Mori" in a fight again! Kenshiro on the other hand is a human so he is bound to die from starvation if he doesn't have any nutrient in between the fights! What do you mean by few minutes of rest at worst? Satan disappear from the fight for a very long years? Win condition! Kenshiro dying out from starvation? Win condition! Why are you acting like these two will be excited to fight each other for eternity especially with a superhuman stamina at worse?

 

[MichaelCalistro]

Not every matchup will work and you trying to force this one doesn't make it any less of a missmatch.

A character with a technique that can't be bypass while having finite stamina versus a character with a regeneration that can't be bypass while having finite stamina, this fight looks more like solid inconclusive result to me until one of the fighters decides to call it a quit giving the other opponent a victory.

 

[Chariot190]

Satan literally disappeared for couple of years when he quitted against Mori before challenging "Mori" in a fight again!

And? That's cool, that doesn't mean shit in Vs matches tho.

Kenshiro on the other hand is a human so he is bound to die from starvation if he doesn't have any nutrient in between the fights!

This is how I know you don't know shit about FotNS.

Also, what's stopping the completely invulnerable character from just uh, grabbing food? The character who can survive with just a lil bit of water, is gonna starve to death?

What do you mean by few minutes of rest at worst?

They can both go back to peak with very little rest, tf do you think I mean?

Satan disappear from the fight for a very long years? Win condition!

And why would he? Context matters, and SBA literally makes it so characters just won't leave because they get bored. You're grasping real hard here.

Kenshiro dying out from starvation? Win condition!

No it isn't, in fact newsflash, but if you legit argue that, it's a hilarious stomp because that means Ken has zero win conditions while Satan can just sit there with a stick up his ass waiting for Ken to jut starve while Ken can't do a damn thing.

As in, it's impossible for Ken to win because "he'd just starve lmao".

Why are you acting like these two will be excited to fight each other for eternity especially with a superhuman stamina at worse?

Because they don't need to be excited to fight? That doesn't mean they're just up and leaving, SBA prevents that.

And given your "win conditions" are "he literally just leaves" or "he starves", you're proving my point.
Your match is bad dude, keep it up and you're going on the list with Robo.

 

[Chariot190]

A character with a technique that can't be bypass while having finite stamina versus a character with a regeneration that can't be bypass while having finite stamina, this fight looks more like solid inconclusive result to me until one of the fighters decides to call it a quit giving the other opponent a victory.

You're on the list now.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

And? That's cool, that doesn't mean shit in Vs matches tho.

This is how I know you don't know shit about FotNS.

Also, what's stopping the completely invulnerable character from just uh, grabbing food? The character who can survive with just a lil bit of water, is gonna starve to death?

They can both go back to peak with very little rest, tf do you think I mean?

And why would he? Context matters, and SBA literally makes it so characters just won't leave because they get bored. You're grasping real hard here.

No it isn't, in fact newsflash, but if you legit argue that, it's a hilarious stomp because that means Ken has zero win conditions while Satan can just sit there with a stick up his ass waiting for Ken to jut starve while Ken can't do a damn thing.

As in, it's impossible for Ken to win because "he'd just starve lmao".

Because they don't need to be excited to fight? That doesn't mean they're just up and leaving, SBA prevents that.

And given your "win conditions" are "he literally just leaves" or "he starves", you're proving my point.
Your match is bad dude, keep it up and you're going on the list with Robo.

So do I just get rid of standard battle assumptions and simply put the victory condition as quitting instead? Because now I am seeing standard battle assumptions being the biggest problem here.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Literally Kenshiro doesn't have an answer to High-Godly, and Satan doesn't have an answer to NEP, I'm gonna request this to be closed.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

Literally Kenshiro doesn't have an answer to High-Godly, and Satan doesn't have an answer to NEP, I'm gonna request this to be closed.

Please just do it, this Standard Battle Assumptions problem is giving everyone the biggest major headaches here.