Knull (Sony) Additions

[Ralp0054]

There is profile https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Knull_(Sony)

We know that character existed before the Big Bang, which was the beginning of spacetime, and this means that character does not need spacetime causality and is independent of it.

This is clearly a reason to give the character Acausality Type 1.

• Acausality (Type 1; Existed even before space and time)

This seems so pointless and weird

Resistance to

• Extreme Cold & Cosmic Radiation (Existing before the universe)

It can also be discussed how dimensionality and the Big Bang affect the character.

And speaking of which, if the portal in the bar scene at the beginning of the movie, which is the end of No Way Home, belongs to Knull, the character's range can also be changed.


Some of them are extreme and outlandish, but some of them are debatable.

Resistance to

• Resistance to Causality Manipulation (Knull exists beyond the normal chain of cause and effect. His existence predates creation itself, making him completely detached from the causal structure of the universe. Attempts to alter or erase him through causal means are ineffective.)
• Resistance to Fate Manipulation:
  Knull's existence is not bound by destiny or predetermined outcomes. Being older than the concept of fate itself, he cannot be influenced or bound by any fated event or metaphysical inevitability.
• Resistance to Time Manipulation (Partial):
  While Knull interacts with temporal reality, his essence originates from a state that precedes the flow of time. As such, temporal alteration, reversal, or acceleration has no meaningful impact on his true self.
• Resistance to Probability Manipulation:
  Knull’s actions and presence are not dictated by chance or statistical possibility. Probability-based alterations fail to affect him, as he existed before such universal constants were formed.
• Resistance to Precognition and Determinism:
  Knull cannot be predicted or foreseen through any causal or temporal perception, as his will and existence lie outside deterministic frameworks.
• Resistance to Existence Erasure (Causal Types):
  Causal forms of existence erasure are meaningless against Knull, as his being does not depend on any created cause or foundational law that can be undone.

 

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We know that character existed before the Big Bang, which was the beginning of spacetime, and this means that character does not need spacetime causality and is independent of it.

• Acausality (Type 1; Existed even before space and time)

Well, not entirely. To quote our Big Bang page

Creating a supposed Big Bang that would create all the space of a universe or its space and time through a physical explosion is a 3-A feat, and grants Explosion Manipulation, limited Spatial Manipulation and limited Time Manipulation. Surviving such an event from its center or near it is a Universe level feat in durability, but like in all explosions, the further away one is from the center, the less of its power is withstood.

If it has generated a space-time expansion that creates an entire universal spacetime continuum from scratch, it is treated as Low 2-C. The difference between this and a 3-A Big Bang that also creates time being that the latter only creates a moment of a universe's time that will expand on its own after the Big Bang is over, therefore said Big Bang didn't create the length of time in the timeline, but kickstarted it from the beginning. Surviving a Low 2-C Big Bang isn't a Universe level+ feat in durability due to the non-physical nature of such an event. However, this ideally only applies to Big Bangs as natural events, instead of attacks with a destructive capacity independent of their size and tier.

In other words predating the Big Bang is not an acasual feat unless you can prove that the Big Bang generated time as well. Considering the Sonyverse was retconned as being part of the MCU, we know for that Multiverse that time predates space, so I don't think this is acasual.

Also like, Acasual Type 1 is paradox immunity

Type 1: Time Paradox Immunity: Characters with this type of Acausality are rendered immune to changes in the past and standard temporal paradoxes, but remain just as vulnerable in the present and can be affected by normal Causality Manipulation and similar abilities.

How.... would this qualify for that power?

This seems so pointless and weird

I mean, he did live back then so I guess it counts still

if the portal in the bar scene at the beginning of the movie, which is the end of No Way Home, belongs to Knull, the character's range can also be changed.

That's a big "if" though. You'd need to show evidence that the portal was him.

Some of them are extreme and outlandish, but some of them are debatable.

• Resistance to Causality Manipulation (Knull exists beyond the normal chain of cause and effect. His existence predates creation itself, making him completely detached from the causal structure of the universe. Attempts to alter or erase him through causal means are ineffective.)

The first sentence is meaningless without a feat, the second isn't a justification for Causality Manipulation per our rules:

Moreover, it should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space is not really grounds for any tier in particular, as predating or lacking such things does not translate to being superior to them, and would most often overlap with abilities like Acausality or Nonexistent Physiology. A good example of a case like this is Dormammu (Marvel Cinematic Universe), who is stated to exist in a realm "far beyond time," yet never actually displays any superiority over it, and is in fact vulnerable to time-based abilities due to his timeless nature.

And that last sentence also needs a feat supporting it.

• Resistance to Fate Manipulation:
  Knull's existence is not bound by destiny or predetermined outcomes. Being older than the concept of fate itself, he cannot be influenced or bound by any fated event or metaphysical inevitability.

What? What evidence is there for any of this.

• Resistance to Time Manipulation (Partial):
  While Knull interacts with temporal reality, his essence originates from a state that precedes the flow of time. As such, temporal alteration, reversal, or acceleration has no meaningful impact on his true self.

None of this is time resistance. You have no evidence that he predates time (just the universe) and predating something does not grant resistance without a feat

• Resistance to Probability Manipulation:
  Knull’s actions and presence are not dictated by chance or statistical possibility. Probability-based alterations fail to affect him, as he existed before such universal constants were formed.

Same as above

• Resistance to Precognition and Determinism:
  Knull cannot be predicted or foreseen through any causal or temporal perception, as his will and existence lie outside deterministic frameworks.

Same as above

• Resistance to Existence Erasure (Causal Types):
  Causal forms of existence erasure are meaningless against Knull, as his being does not depend on any created cause or foundational law that can be undone.

Same as above

Like most of these powers wouldn't be granted even if Knull did predate time and space.

 

[Ralp0054]

Well, not entirely. To quote our Big Bang page

In other words predating the Big Bang is not an acasual feat unless you can prove that the Big Bang generated time as well. Considering the Sonyverse was retconned as being part of the MCU, we know for that Multiverse that time predates space, so I don't think this is acasual.

Also like, Acasual Type 1 is paradox immunity

How.... would this qualify for that power?

I mean, he did live back then so I guess it counts still

That's a big "if" though. You'd need to show evidence that the portal was him.


The first sentence is meaningless without a feat, the second isn't a justification for Causality Manipulation per our rules:

And that last sentence also needs a feat supporting it.

What? What evidence is there for any of this.

None of this is time resistance. You have no evidence that he predates time (just the universe) and predating something does not grant resistance without a feat

Same as above

Same as above

Same as above

Like most of these powers wouldn't be granted even if Knull did predate time and space.

I tried and learned a few things, I appreciate your time and clarification.

 

[Ralp0054]

Well, not entirely. To quote our Big Bang page

In other words predating the Big Bang is not an acasual feat unless you can prove that the Big Bang generated time as well. Considering the Sonyverse was retconned as being part of the MCU, we know for that Multiverse that time predates space, so I don't think this is acasual.

Also like, Acasual Type 1 is paradox immunity

How.... would this qualify for that power?

I mean, he did live back then so I guess it counts still

That's a big "if" though. You'd need to show evidence that the portal was him.


The first sentence is meaningless without a feat, the second isn't a justification for Causality Manipulation per our rules:

And that last sentence also needs a feat supporting it.

What? What evidence is there for any of this.

None of this is time resistance. You have no evidence that he predates time (just the universe) and predating something does not grant resistance without a feat

Same as above

Same as above

Same as above

Like most of these powers wouldn't be granted even if Knull did predate time and space.

The reason I'm talking about the universe return scene at the beginning of this movie is this. In No Way Home, Andrew and Tobey's Spider-Man slowly disappeared and returned to their universes, but Eddie's return, unlike the others, happened with a portal. Knull creates portals and wants to obtain the Codex. We've already learned that the hive knowledge is aware of the multiverse, so I wanted to touch on this subject.