Megatron vs Allen the Alien (4-0-0)

[Drite77]

Energon Megatron is used against Pre-Recovery Allen, speed is equalized, battle takes place at the Central Park, they start 10 meters apart

Megatron 4 (Pyro9278, Drite77, Jackythejack, MannyQ361)

• AP and Durability of 1.081118 Gigatons of TNT/1081.118 Megatons of TNT
• LS of >5,807,915.87 Tons
• Standing at 6.985 meters tall

Allen the Alien ()

• AP and Durability of 948.468 Megatons of TNT
• LS of >577,547,878.23 Tons
• Standing at 1.94 meters tall (I think)

 

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[Pyro9278]

Based on the profiles, I'm leaning towards Megatron. Teleportation and weapons will be a serious problem for Allen, because if Megatron decides to attack from a distance, it's unlikely Allen will be able to catch him. However, if Megatron decides to teleport close, I can see Allen catching him and using his LS to attack. Ultimately, though, it all depends on what Megatron decides to do.

 

[Drite77]

Megatron likes to exploit weakness, Energon Megs is much more favorable to range spam then Armada Megs and starts with that. He might try to teleport if he can get a good hit, but he'll immediately teleport away, specially once Allen shows his bigger LS.

There is also Megatron's tank drone, but I'll count your vote, Allen can fly, but Megatron's teleportation and range would allow him to keep the pressure from afar, specially when combined with his drone

 

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[Jackythejack]

Teleportation and range is a deadly combo, especially if someone’s willing to exploit it. It sounds like Megatron does? Based off what I just read at least,

If he exploits it to his fullest Allen is gonna be in a world of hurt and it would be very funny seeing Megatron gloat the entire time. I’m gonna vote for him.

 

[Drite77]

Megatron in his Energon key has shown favoring Ranged combat over melee, only doing so when he combines it with Teleport. Megatron also, via his own words, exploit weakness, so it is very likely he will do it.

Megatron's shots also have a big AoE (12 Kilometers in diameter) so that's probably also a factor to make dodging his shots harder

 

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[MannyQ361]

Voting Megatron fra.

 

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[Chariot190]

Does bro really not have flight?

 

[Drite77]

Does bro really not have flight?

Who?

 

[Chariot190]

Megatron, I aint seeing it on profile

 

[Drite77]

Megatron, I aint seeing it on profile

 

[Chariot190]

I saw white pic in OP and defaulted to Galvatron...

What's stopping Allen from just like
Ripping him in half?
He has a tremendous LS advantage, and the size gap isnt actually good enough to stop catastrophic damage if Allen so much as rips or tears even slightly, he's only 3x larger, allen is like the size of his torso even.

It doesn't help Allen also has something akin to a 100x movement speed gap over him even in speed equal due to Allen's flight being equal to his combat, while Megatron is magnitudes slower compared to his own. In terms of mobility and motion Allen is literally flying circles around Megatron, and Megatron can't do a whole lot to stop that.

Range is cool, till you realize that if Megatron teleports TO far away, his attacks become useless. Like hundred km range sounds good till you look at his speed and then realize even YOU could react to it at a distance that far. And if he doesn't teleport that far away, Allen can get back in in under a fraction of a second.

And if Megs spams it (idk if he even can), Allen is just gonna pretend to get knocked out then take him by surprise or something given he's done that like twice, or god forbid start dipping into more nuanced attack options.

 

[Drite77]

What's stopping Allen from just like
Ripping him in half?

Instant teleportation and Megatron likes to fight at range in this key

It doesn't help Allen also has something akin to a 100x movement speed gap over him even in speed equal due to Allen's flight being equal to his combat

I suppose that's my bad for never really updating said profile, Megatron's Energon Key's movement speed should be the same as Starscream's, Thrust's and Cyclonus, who also scale to their combat speed

Range is cool, till you realize that if Megatron teleports TO far away, his attacks become useless. Like hundred km range sounds good till you look at his speed and then realize even YOU could react to it at a distance that far.

Megatron has a 12 Kilometer AoE on top of the Hundreds of Kilometers range

And if Megs spams it (idk if he even can), Allen is just gonna pretend to get knocked out then take him by surprise or something given he's done that like twice, or god forbid start dipping into more nuanced attack options.

Megatron wouldn't really stop just by seeing an unconscious body

 

[Lilybitdun]

What's stopping Allen from just like
Ripping him in half?
He has a tremendous LS advantage, and the size gap isnt actually good enough to stop catastrophic damage if Allen so much as rips or tears even slightly, he's only 3x larger, allen is like the size of his torso even.

Allen can't LS tear since he has inferior AP

The question of the priority of LS and AP in battles

I had a question about how the LS advantage works and in what cases it allows one to gain the upper hand over a stronger opponent, and in what cases it doesn't. LS usually determined whether one character could immobilize another. However, I recently learned that a 10-Kilton character with LS...

vsbattles.com

 

[Chariot190]

Instant teleportation and Megatron likes to fight at range in this key

That isn't stopping him? That's just saying if it goes to range, Allen will have trouble, that has zero effect on what happens if Allen actually manages to, which is nothing. If LS gets used on Megatron, it's over.

I suppose that's my bad for never really updating said profile, Megatron's Energon Key's movement speed should be the same as Starscream's, Thrust's and Cyclonus, who also scale to their combat speed

Not my concern. We could go back and forth here, (like why isn't Allen 6-B in this key?). As it stands profiles dictate otherwise.

Megatron has a 12 Kilometer AoE on top of the Hundreds of Kilometers range

I'm aware. 12km is nothing though? Allen even equalized to Megatron is covering that in less than a fraction of a second, AT the same speed of expansion mind you. Allen's movement = The AoE's expanse speed, and that's ignoring Allen is long gone before it even reaches him given hundreds of km is something even you could react to at Meg's speed.

Megatron wouldn't really stop just by seeing an unconscious body

That or assume he killed him, won, or anything else? Unless Megatron is known for beating on what he would assume to be a corpse? If so do you have a scan for that?

Allen can't LS tear since he has inferior AP

The question of the priority of LS and AP in battles

I had a question about how the LS advantage works and in what cases it allows one to gain the upper hand over a stronger opponent, and in what cases it doesn't. LS usually determined whether one character could immobilize another. However, I recently learned that a 10-Kilton character with LS...

vsbattles.com

Oh by what? 1%?
You really do not want to start that here lad, it ain't gonna fly. Not even the thread you linked says what you're claiming, it's saying at worst magnitude gaps.

 

[Drite77]

That isn't stopping him?

If he can just TP out of it, that is stopping him and Megatron goes back at fighting at range

As it stands profiles dictate otherwise.

I mean, I can just make a quick CRT and in two days update the profile I guess

12km is nothing though? Allen even equalized to Megatron is covering that in less than a fraction of a second

Megatron can aim and his attacks should still be that fast, 12 km is noteworthy.

Unless Megatron is known for beating on what he would assume to be a corpse? If so do you have a scan for that?

Cybertronians are very resiliant, they can be cut in half and still function, why wouldn't Megatron think the same for a race he doesn't know?

 

[Lilybitdun]

Oh by what? 1%?
You really do not want to start that here lad, it ain't gonna fly. Not even the thread you linked says what you're claiming, it's saying at worst magnitude gaps.

I don't care enough about this matchup or debates in general to argue about this but you're being rude for no reason man

 

[Chariot190]

I don't care enough about this matchup or debates in general to argue about this but you're being rude for no reason man

No I'm not. If you're going to quote a thread as some sort of rebuttal to a point. Make sure you actually read the thread.
Nowhere whatsoever does it say "oh a basically negligible, legit ong 5% diff invalidates it", if you looked at the examples, it's by magnitudes, actual one shot gaps. It isn't rude to call you out on a massive false equivalence, if anything I'd say it's rude to resort to said false equivalence instead of actually giving a proper argument.

If he can just TP out of it, that is stopping him and Megatron goes back at fighting at range

Already a huge flaw in that. Why is there a chance to react? The same motion that is the LS, also causes catastrophic damage. There is no leeway there. It's basically like arguing Megatron teleports out of a punch, after the punch already hit him, the cinch itself is lethal.

I mean, I can just make a quick CRT and in two days update the profile I guess

I mean you could but it hasn't happened yet.

Megatron can aim and his attacks should still be that fast, 12 km is noteworthy.

It quite literally isn't?
You know how distance works, you're a CGM.
If you're legit arguing Megatron plays range at like hundreds km away, that means in the time it even takes the blast to reach Allen, he'd have covered, well, hundreds of km? Allen is literally the same speed as the projectiles Megatron shoots, playing range is useless, it will never hit him.

But for argument's sake, let's say Allen just sits on his ass and does nothing till it's up close. It only takes him 0.0093 seconds to cover 12km and get out of the AoE.

The actual blast itself is restricted to Megatron's own combat speed, ie, the speed Allen is downscaled to. In literally no situation is the blast ever hitting Allen unless he just let's it at such a distance given he literally flies at the same speed the blast both moves at towards him (ergo, in the time it takes to cover hundreds of km, he would have also moved hundreds of km), and the same goes for the 12km blast, assuming he's even in the same country as it on impact.

And mind you, that's to Megatron's benefit, the alternative is he gets blitzed and it's a stomp.

Cybertronians are very resiliant, they can be cut in half and still function, why wouldn't Megatron think the same for a race he doesn't know?

Because Megatron knows enough about organics to know that isn't a thing for 90% of the universe? And Allen is very clearly not Cybertronian? The better question is why WOULD Megatron think that for a race he doesn't know, especially one, far as he can tell, is face down dead?