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AP.
That's just a bag full of food, tho...
I don't think that it can be considered a "weapon".
Crushing humans is still Class 25 LS, tho
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Minor Chespirito Revisions
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I don't think that it can be considered a "weapon".
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He's just lifting him up.
It's hard to judge these verses with how comedic they are. I suppose the kick makes it fine.
Yeah, if you actually crush them.
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He is clearly shaking a 8-C character like a rag doll.
Every bone in Don Ramon was crushed, tho
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Still lifting strength.
Oh, is he in the hospital or something later? If so, that's fine, but if it's just a gag moment, then I wouldn't take it seriously.
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I mean Chapatin (a 8-C character) is clearly afraid of Profesor Jirafales to even dare provoque him. The same Doctor who kicked a superhero without problems.
Don Ramon didn't recovered from that, tho. Also many verses have this kind of stuff and yet we still use those feats for scaling like with the Looney Toons.
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I mean, that's just Social Influencing. Making someone afraid of you doesn't mean you're stronger than them. There are plenty of cases IRL where this is the case.
You're taking a calc for crushing a normal human, with normal human bones and physics, and applying it to a comedic moment where a character is flattened into a pancake, yet still somehow alive.
It's Toonforce.
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Profesor Jirafales doesn't have Social Influencing, tho
Don Ramon's body doesn't act like Mr. Fantastic body when harmed, tho. He has Toon Force but Don Barriga still crushed a human.
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Don Ramon is a human with Toon Force but he isn't a man of rubber...
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Being able to crush someone as if they were rubber is, in and of itself, an ability, not a Weight Feat. Toonforce, to be exact.
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He is just flesh and bone otherwise everytime he got punched nothing could have harmed him. Again he is not Mr. Fantastic...But Don Barriga is who performs the weight feat. Also, Verses like Looney Tunes or Turma da Monica work that way all the time and we still use their Toon Force feats for scaling.
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Don Ramon is definitely not like Mr. Fantastic, or every fight with him would look like this:
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I don't have a strong opinion on this but this is a good point
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Turma da Monica is another good example:
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And those verses have Tier 2 to 1 Toon Force stuff, but a Class 25 Señor Barriga is a taboo. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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In regards to lifting strength, it is technically a lifting strength feat, but if we're using it to say they're comparable in strength in some way, and the verse otherwise doesn't differentiate that much, I think it's probably valid for a vague comparison.
In regards to weapons, we can scale people's attacks with weapons too. If they're significantly higher than their normal AP we just specify that.
In regards to toon force, I don't think that discredits it since the only toon-forcey aspect is the consequence of beating him up, but it doesn't seem like he was only able to do so because he had toon force, if that makes sense.
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The LS feat would only scale to Señor Barriga and possibly to other characters portrayed by the same actor, like Ñoño or Botija.
Also, Doctor Chapatin's paper bag ins't a "weapon" per se. That kind of equipment isn't combat related NOT like guns, swords, grenades, etc. It is just a paper bag...How can a paper bag be able to harm an 8-C character like Chapulin? The answer is that it can't; it is just Doctor Chapatin's force behind his blows, which could harm Chapulin, not the paper bag.
Yeah, Señor Barriga can casually harm Don Ramon with his blows.
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At least regarding El Chavo, I don't think there's much to contradict characters scaling to each other, and toon force instances aren't rare in Chespirito's works. The episode where Señor Barriga flattens Don Ramon by just jumping unto him isn't just merely a toon force gag that would disprove the scaling. In fact, I'm pretty sure I remember Señor Barriga harming other characters without the "haha fat" gag onto play, Don Ramon just happens to be the most common victim for the reason we all know. A lot of the characters also harm each other by accident as well (I do remember a episode where it was all about them slapping someone they didn't mean to).
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Agree.
Yeah, Señor Barriga can casually harm other characters like Quico with his blows, as you can see here:
Quico can take full-power blows from Profesor Jirafales:
The scaling seems pretty consistent to me.
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Yeah, most cartoon verses use toon force as some sort of scaling, I don't see why we'd need to make an exception for this feat.
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Yeah, unless there are valid PIS concerns, I do not see how 8-C scaling is really an issue. A paper bag isn't anything standout crazy to take credit from the person using it. And knocking someone out is pretty good grounds for scaling; it's not chip damage.\
Edit: I don't got any issues with Don Barriga's feat either.
Edit: I don't got any issues with Don Barriga's feat either.
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Alright then, I have no issues with it then.
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Then can this be applied? I mean, that would be 3 votes in favor by counting DDM, FinePoint, and your votes, right?
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Then can this thread be closed now? The grace period already ended days ago.
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