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[Okstrike]

Currently, one of Nyarlathotep's Avatars are given a ratting of "Large Planet level, likely higher" on the premise that an Avatar performed this feat, i didn't think of it much since i hadn't gotten to the Crawling Chaos up to now, but having just read the story, i have come to the conclusion that this feat was wrongly attributed to Nyarlathotep and in truth has no relation to the God of a Thousand Forms

In spite of being the namesake of it, Nyarlathotep isn't even mentioned once or even alluded to through out the whole story, and we don't actually know who/what performs this feat, it just sorta happens as the narrator ascends with some child angels

So i suggest removing "Large planet level" all together from Nyarlathotep'sprofile

Agree: @Re5yh, @AyOgUyS, @Kebabbaro.1, @Para_Pala_Zula
Neutral:
Disagree: @Qurbonboev

 

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[SweetDao]

Could you provide some scans/proof regarding what you're saying? Because right now, you're just saying "it's not him who did it", which is hard to really give an opinion on.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Disagree. Name "Crawling Chaos" is heavily tied to Nyarlathotep. Besides being name for this short story, "Crawling chaos" is used like 19 times, and besides like 3-5 times, it was always in conjunction with Nyarlathotep(and when it wasn't in conjunction, it was obvious that it was referring to him).
"Crawling Chaos" is published after "Nyarlathotep"(1920 vs 1921). Guess how "Nyarlathotep" starts:
"Nyarlathotep . . . the crawling chaos . . . I am the last . . . I will tell the audient void. . . "

 

[Okstrike]

Could you provide some scans/proof regarding what you're saying? Because right now, you're just saying "it's not him who did it", which is hard to really give an opinion on.

The story is only a few pages long, so idrk how to include proof with out quoting like half the story since you need context for what going on in order to understand my point, but said context takes up most of the story, hence why i didn't innately quote anything, nonetheless, I'll try to quote the relevant parts:

Before the earth is completely destroyed, the narrator witnesses as the oceans literally start to "eat" the continents, as if its trying to pull the world into itself:

I beheld such a sight as I had never beheld before, and which no living person can have seen save in the delirium of fever or the inferno of opium. The building stood on a narrow point of land—or what was now a narrow point of land—fully 300 feet above what must lately have been a seething vortex of mad waters. On either side of the house there fell a newly washed-out precipice of red earth, whilst ahead of me the hideous waves were still rolling in frightfully, eating away the land with ghastly monotony and deliberation. Out a mile or more there rose and fell menacing breakers at least fifty feet in height, and on the far horizon ghoulish black clouds of grotesque contour were resting and brooding like unwholesome vultures. The waves were dark and purplish, almost black, and clutched at the yielding red mud of the bank as if with uncouth, greedy hands. I could not but feel that some noxious marine mind had declared a war of extermination upon all the solid ground, perhaps abetted by the angry sky.

As the narrator begins to ascend with the child angels, he sees the earth begin to enter a "corpse-like" state with the temperature rising rapidly and the oceans growing out of control, consuming more and more of the land until a massive rift is eventually upon up in the land:

Down through the aether I saw the accursed earth turning, ever turning, with angry and tempestuous seas gnawing at wild desolate shores and dashing foam against the tottering towers of deserted cities. And under a ghastly moon there gleamed sights I can never describe, sights I can never forget; deserts of corpse-like clay and jungles of ruin and decadence where once stretched the populous plains and villages of my native land, and maelstroms of frothing ocean where once rose the mighty temples of my forefathers. Around the northern pole steamed a morass of noisome growths and miasmal vapours, hissing before the onslaught of the ever-mounting waves that curled and fretted from the shuddering deep. Then a rending report clave the night, and athwart the desert of deserts appeared a smoking rift. Still the black ocean foamed and gnawed, eating away the desert on either side as the rift in the centre widened and widened.

As the ocean finally consumes the entirely of the land and narrator gets well away from the scene, a sudden blast of fire, smoke & thunder destroys the the earth & moon in their entirety:

There was not any pounding now, but only the unearthly roaring and hissing of waters tumbling into the rift. The smoke of that rift had changed to steam, and almost hid the world as it grew denser and denser. It seared my face and hands, and when I looked to see how it affected my companions I found they had all disappeared. Then very suddenly it ended, and I knew no more till I awaked upon a bed of convalescence. As the cloud of steam from the Plutonic gulf finally concealed the entire surface from my sight, all the firmament shrieked at a sudden agony of mad reverberations which shook the trembling aether. In one delirious flash and burst it happened; one blinding, deafening holocaust of fire, smoke, and thunder that dissolved the wan moon as it sped outward to the void. And when the smoke cleared away, and I sought to look upon the earth, I beheld against the background of cold, humorous stars only the dying sun and the pale mournful planets searching for their sister.

So yah, theres no proof that Nyarlathotep causes the destruction of the Earth, and there isn't even a single mention of Nyarlathotep outside of the title anyways

 

[Okstrike]

Besides being name for this short story, "Crawling chaos" is used like 19 times

"Crawling Chaos" isn't used even once outside of the title you can check for your self by control+f'ing it: https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/crc.aspx

and besides like 3-5 times, it was always in conjunction with Nyarlathotep(and when it wasn't in conjunction, it was obvious that it was referring to him)

I'm not denying that "Crawling Chaos" would be in reference to Nyarlathotep, the problem is that Crawling Chaos isn't even used outside of the title

"Crawling Chaos" is published after "Nyarlathotep"(1920 vs 1921). Guess how "Nyarlathotep" starts:
"Nyarlathotep . . . the crawling chaos . . . I am the last . . . I will tell the audient void. . . "

I don't think this is enough evidence to conclude that Nyarlathotep was what destroyed the earh

 

[AyOgUyS]

agree for now but I am not an expert on the verse

 

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[Re5yh]

Agree

 

[Kebabbaro.1]

I agree

 

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[Para_Pala_Zula]

Please don’t reply to your previous message every time you say “bump,” because it becomes harder to scroll down each time. Anyway, I agree; however, even though Qurbonboev clearly stated that he disagreed, you didn’t add him to the disagree category.