Question about High 1-A+

[Nekobako]

1. If High 1-A+ character get defeated by High 1-A+ (same type) but this phenomenon/feat is something that made to happen by tier 0 (assume that every phenomenon in the verse is something that tier 0 made it to happen)

Is this an anti-feat and if it's not, we considered this as its own feat (it means this High 1-A+ can defeat other High 1-A+ in VS match-up) or it's nothing since it was made to happen by tier 0?

2. Similar to 1st question but get defeated by the lower tier

Is this an anti-feat? and will we granted High 1-A+ to this character?

 

[ThyNotAskQuestions]

1. No. If a character A got beaten by character B because of a third party, then that means character B cannot win against character A without help.
2. Situations like that need context as to how they were beaten. For example, the Loser kids—despite being an average human—defeated IT because Maturin was helping them. That means, IT is still High 1-A because another High 1-A being was amping the Loser Kids. So, yeah, it relies on context.

 

[Elyartaker]

ASSUMING YOU ARE REFERRING TO TYPE 1 HIGH 1-A+

1- High 1-A+ characters can beat other High 1-A+ characters anyway. For example, one of them can be weak to plot manipulation and the other has the said ability. You don't need tier 0 for a high 1-A+ character to beat another. Many factors such as stamina, abilities and hax, personality and intelligence also play a role.
2- needs context. If a lesser tier character just punches their way through, then yes.

 

[Nekobako]

ASSUMING YOU ARE REFERRING TO TYPE 1 HIGH 1-A+

1- High 1-A+ characters can beat other High 1-A+ characters anyway. For example, one of them can be weak to plot manipulation and the other has the said ability. You don't need tier 0 for a high 1-A+ character to beat another. Many factors such as stamina, abilities and hax, personality and intelligence also play a role.
2- needs context. If a lesser tier character just punches their way through, then yes.

Are they different?
afaik, doesn't High 1-A+ can't beat each other because they already encompass all possibilities including how they beat and get defeated? or this is only for type 2?

2nd has the same context as 1st by tier 0

 

[Elyartaker]

Are they different?
afaik, doesn't High 1-A+ can't beat each other because they already encompass all possibilities including how they beat and get defeated? or this is only for type 2?

2nd has the same context as 1st by tier 0

Yeah, Type 1 only affects possible worlds while Type 2 IS (encompasses ig) all possible worlds. So yes that would only be Type 2.