Quick FNAF weakness addition

[Dark_Soul20189]

Hello, just gonna do a small "in-between" CRT while I work on my larger FNAF CRT.

Verse - FNAF
Page - Remnant (Spirit section)

Proposal

Adding a weakness to the "Spirit" section

Souls which possess electronic machines are still bound to the programming of those machines to varying degrees

I am too lazy to actually bring scans so I will use some examples instead.

The FNAF 1 animatronics ghosts, being unable to go against their programming, forcing them to "sing and dance" as well as stop the "chase" after reaching 6 am. They also can't enter or even see the "safe room," something the animatronics have been programmed not to see.

PS - I was noticed it existed on the Remnant weakness section [Not surprised with how bad the page is], so I will also be proposing removing it from there.

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[Comiphorous]

This is already on the page.

Look at the Low-tier remnant weakness section.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

This is already on the page.

Look at the Low-tier remnant weakness section.

Why the hell is it in the Remnant Section, when it's regarding the soul and has nothing to do with Remnant or Agony?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Sooo, the CRT will be removing it from the Remnant part too...

 

[Comiphorous]

Why the hell is it in the Remnant Section, when it's regarding the soul and has nothing to do with Remnant or Agony?

Because making it a weakness for the spirits possessing something rather than a weakness for the spirit alone ig looks cleaner and makes more sense for non-supporters.

the more remnant, the less they're tied to the programming type thing ig.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Because making it a weakness for the spirits possessing something rather than a weakness for the spirit alone ig looks cleaner and makes more sense for non-supporters.

the more remnant, the less they're tied to the programming type thing ig.

The sad thing is that while it makes more sense for the non-supporters, it's nothing more than pure disinformation... (Also, anything that "makes sense" it's clearly not FNAF)

So yeah, while it looks better and is less confusing, it is better to keep the profile as accurate as possible.

Also, that wouldn't really work... William is still fully tied to his program... Same for Puppet and the other missing children... Meaning that the "high and peak" tiers are also bound by their program...

 

[Perequeliri993]

The FNAF 1 animatronics ghosts, being unable to go against their programming, forcing them to "sing and dance" as well as stop the "chase" after reaching 6 am.

According to TWB, this is because they run out of power, not programming.

If you want a better example, use the fact they can't enter the safe room.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

According to TWB, this is because they run out of power, not programming.

That is the reason why they don't leave the building, not that they start acting like the normal ones after 6 am.

If you want a better example, use the fact they can't enter the safe room.

Good idea.

 

[Comiphorous]

The sad thing is that while it makes more sense for the non-supporters, it's nothing more than pure disinformation...

It really isn't. Low/Mid/Whatever-remnant animatronics are bound to their programming. It's not disinformation, it's just put in a way that makes sense for people who aren't lobotomy patients (also known as fnaf fans)

Also, that wouldn't really work... William is still fully tied to his program... Same for Puppet and the other missing children... Meaning that the "high and peak" tiers are also bound by their program...

William isn't tied to his programming. Yes he's lured by the noises of children but frankly theres a 99% chance the assumption it's because of the suit is probably wrong and it's more likely he's doing it because he's crazy and wants to kill kids. (The DBD collab which Scott was breathing down their necks about says he did it out of his own free will. not rlly usable on profile but it's to be noted.)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

It really isn't. Low-remnant animatronics are bound to their programming. It's not disinformation, it's just put in a way that makes sense for people who aren't lobotomy patients (also known as fnaf fans)

Low Remnant animatronics don't even have a "soul" for their program to affect; they are simply affected by it.

William isn't tied to his programming. Yes he's lured by the noises of children but frankly theres a 99% chance the assumption it's because of the suit is probably wrong and it's more likely he's doing it because he's crazy and wants to kill kids. (The DBD collab which Scott was breathing down their necks about says he did it out of his own free will)

Now that is just false.

 

[Comiphorous]

Now that is just false.

"The sound filled his ears again. Children's laughter. Were children playing in the kitchen? Springtrap rose to his feet, adjusting to his new body, and marched towards the sounds.

He picked up speed as he moved. Walking turned to running. He rushed into the kitchen and found..."

DBD collab seems to imply he just does it out of his free will, not programming. Again, not usable on the profile but clearly Scott meant for him to be doing it out of his own free will, not due to the programming.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

"The sound filled his ears again. Children's laughter. Were children playing in the kitchen? Springtrap rose to his feet, adjusting to his new body, and marched towards the sounds.

He picked up speed as he moved. Walking turned to running. He rushed into the kitchen and found..."

DBD collab seems to imply he just does it out of his free will, not programming. Again, not usable on the profile but clearly Scott meant for him to be doing it out of his own free will, not due to the programming.

Are you seriously using DbD for FNAF lore?...

 

[Comiphorous]

Are you seriously using DbD for FNAF lore?...

"Again, not usable on the profile but clearly Scott meant for him to be doing it out of his own free will, not due to the programming."

the DBD team already said he was breathing down their necks about details. Scott's intention was that he did it out of his own free will, because he's a crazy person. Not usable on profile, but we know the intention Scott has for Springtrap and the sound lures.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

"Again, not usable on the profile but clearly Scott meant for him to be doing it out of his own free will, not due to the programming."

the DBD team already said he was breathing down their necks about details. Scott's intention was that he did it out of his own free will, because he's a crazy person.

Great, now bring literally any proof of that here.

 

[Comiphorous]

Great, now bring literally any proof of that here.

Pretty sure we'd have to prove that it's the suit making him do that, not that it's not the suit making him do that.

Afton still follows audio lures in Pizza Simulator. it's clear Afton follows them because he wants the chance at murdering more kids.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Pretty sure we'd have to prove that it's the suit making him do that, not that it's not the suit making him do that.

Afton still follows audio lures in Pizza Simulator. it's clear Afton follows them because he wants the chance at murdering more kids.

If that is what you believe, feel free to make a new CRT, removing it yourself.

 

[Comiphorous]

If that is what you believe, feel free to make a new CRT, removing it yourself.

You're CRT literally hinges on the idea that William follows programming, when theres no proof of him following any programming at all throughout FNAF 3. his only other appearance as a threat makes him out to following it out of free will.

so no, actually, i am in the right CRT. no need for a new one when we can just disprove it right now.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

You're CRT literally hinges on the idea that William follows programming, when theres no proof of him following any programming at all throughout FNAF 3.

so no, actually, i am in the right CRT. no need for a new one when we can just disprove it right now.

This CRT uses it, since it's accepted on his profile, feel free to change that in another CRT. I am not gonna waste time to suit your needs. (Hell Springtrap uses Agony not Remnant so the entire thing is unrelated)

 

[Comiphorous]

This CRT uses it, since it's accepted on his profile, feel free to change that in another CRT. I am not gonna waste time to suit your needs. (Hell Springtrap uses Agony not Remnant so the entire thing is unrelated)

If he doesn't use remnant, then the idea that you're using him as an example makes even less sense. He doesn't have any reason to be tied to the programming???

You're in a CRT to change what's on the profile, what the profile says means very little to me when it's just wrong. (kinda the point of a CRT)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

If he doesn't use remnant, then the idea that you're using him as an example makes even less sense. He doesn't have any reason to be tied to the programming???

(Mainly as supporting evidence, I am kinda braindead today)

You're in a CRT to change what's on the profile, what the profile says means very little to me when it's just wrong. (kinda the point of a CRT)

I noticed a flaw on the Remnant page. I am not interested in doing the profiles yet, as I said in the verse chat, I will do that later.

 

[Comiphorous]

I noticed a flaw on the Remnant page. I am not interested in doing the profiles yet, as I said in the verse chat, I will do that later.

This entire CRT is just to make the profiles more confusing for non-supporters even though either way you put it (in the remnant sections or the spirit section) it's still correct and gets the point across.

This is a nothing burger CRT. Nothing changes if it goes through and just makes it more difficult to understand for non-supporters.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

This entire CRT is just to make the profiles more confusing for non-supporters even though either way you put it (in the remnant sections or the spirit section) it's still correct and gets the point across.

This is a nothing burger CRT. Nothing changes if it goes through and just makes it more difficult to understand for non-supporters.

How so?

This CRT is about making the page more accurate; it doesn't matter if it's "harder to understand" if the alternative is to keep it flawed.

We have 2 options, A make it more accurate and put the weakness on souls, or B put it on "remnant," meaning we affect only their "Powers" and not the beings...

 

[Comiphorous]

How so?

This CRT is about making the page more accurate; it doesn't matter if it's "harder to understand" if the alternative is to keep it flawed.

We have 2 options, A make it more accurate and put the weakness on souls, or B put it on "remnant," meaning we affect only their "Powers" and not the beings...

The issue is that you don't want to get into reworking what's on the profiles, but want to rework the ability every single profile uses on their page. Doing what you're doing now means you'll more than likely have to change the profiles too, which you don't want to do

if the profile says it's tied to remnant right now, you have to change profiles to reflect your change because you're changing it to specifically the spirits.

Either save this for when you wanna change the profiles, or change the profiles now.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Either save this for when you wanna change the profiles, or change the profiles now.

I am fine doing the profiles that get affected by my own proposed changes, nothing less, nothing more.

Also jokes on you, the profiles are so damn bad they don't even mention it as a weakness on most...

FML, that is just more work for me in the future...

 

[Comiphorous]

Also jokes on you, the profiles are so damn bad they don't even mention it as a weakness on most...

For the ones where it's an actual weakness, it is.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

For the ones where it's an actual weakness, it is.

Would you be willing to send some examples? I am having a hard time finding them outside of William.

 

[Comiphorous]

Would you be willing to send some examples? I am having a hard time finding them outside of William.

Fnaf 1 gang has the weakness, Fnaf 2 main gang has it, but are noted they can break out of it when enraged (besides Puppet, who can function outside of 12 AM and 6 AM)

everyone else can freely function during the day/aren't bound by programming for various reasons.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Fnaf 1 gang has the weakness, Fnaf 2 main gang has it, but are noted they can break out of it when enraged (besides Puppet, who can function outside of 12 AM and 6 AM)

Yeah, the thing is that it's not on their profile...

 

[Comiphorous]

Yeah, the thing is that it's not on their profile...

it is.

Freddy Fazbear's page

Can only operate from midnight to 6 AM due to having limited power, forcing him to recharge on stage during the daytime. Can be fooled by someone wearing a spare Freddy Fazbear head.

Toy Freddy's page

Is typically only hostile from 12 AM to 6 AM, although he can overcome this if enraged. Can be fooled by someone wearing a spare Freddy Fazbear head.

It doesn't verbatim say "Are bound by their programming" but you don't need it to say that when you're listing the direct weaknesses of it being bound by it's programming.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Just a small note, I won't be responding to any comments tomorrow since we are celebrating the 2nd biggest Holiday in Sweden.

 

[FinePoint]

I definitely agree in spirit, but a couple things:

"Souls that posses any kind of machinary is still bound by it's program to varrying degree."

The grammar and spelling here is horrible. I've got you:

"Souls which possess electronic machines are still bound to the programming of those machines to varying degrees."

And for a scan, just use a clip and/or statement regarding the fact they're unable to enter the Safe Room.

 

[Soupywolf5]

For the argument of whether Springtrap follows the audio lures due to programming or just wanting to murder children, even if DBD was usable here (I don't think Scott's involvement/input for the chapter alone would make it usable) it's contradicted by the games, since Ralph's training tape played on night 2 of FNaF 3 specifies that the springlock costumes were programmed to turn and move towards sound cues to keep them with the children in the restaurant:

"Right now we have two specially designed suits that double as both animatronic and suit. So please pay close attention while learning how to operate these suits, as accidents/injuries/death/irreparable and grotesque maiming can occur. First we will discuss how to operate the mascots when they are in animatronic form. For ease of operation the animatronics are set to turn and walk toward sound cues. This is an easy and hands-free approach, to making sure the animatronics stay where the children are, for maximum entertainment/crowd-pleasing value."

Making it pretty clear that the mechanic of luring Springtrap with audio is meant to be exploiting his programming. (You'd think if he was following it out of free will he'd realize after multiple nights of finding nothing that there's no actual kids there and just ignore the lures) I don't think Pizza Sim offers anything suggesting the free will side either, yeah Afton enters the false pizzeria of his own will, but that doesn't say anything about his interactions with the lures used to move him around the vents when he's in there

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I definitely agree in spirit, but a couple things:

The grammar and spelling here is horrible. I've got you:

And for a scan, just use a clip and/or statement regarding the fact they're unable to enter the Safe Room.

Thank you.

 

[Comiphorous]

For the argument of whether Springtrap follows the audio lures due to programming or just wanting to murder children, even if DBD was usable here (I don't think Scott's involvement/input for the chapter alone would make it usable) it's contradicted by the games, since Ralph's training tape played on night 2 of FNaF 3 specifies that the springlock costumes were programmed to turn and move towards sound cues to keep them with the children in the restaurant:

"Right now we have two specially designed suits that double as both animatronic and suit. So please pay close attention while learning how to operate these suits, as accidents/injuries/death/irreparable and grotesque maiming can occur. First we will discuss how to operate the mascots when they are in animatronic form. For ease of operation the animatronics are set to turn and walk toward sound cues. This is an easy and hands-free approach, to making sure the animatronics stay where the children are, for maximum entertainment/crowd-pleasing value."

Making it pretty clear that the mechanic of luring Springtrap with audio is meant to be exploiting his programming. (You'd think if he was following it out of free will he'd realize after multiple nights of finding nothing that there's no actual kids there and just ignore the lures) I don't think Pizza Sim offers anything suggesting the free will side either, yeah Afton enters the false pizzeria of his own will, but that doesn't say anything about his interactions with the lures used to move him around the vents when he's in there

one small issue i have with this, but otherwise im okay with this.

if Springtrap were forced to follow the audio lures due to the suit, and not because he's a psychopath murderer, he wouldn't be able to just ignore them. In Fnaf 3, depending on room/situation/etc Springtrap can simply ignore audio lures that'd normally work on him. If the suit's programming had that much of a hold over afton, he likely wouldn't be able to simply ignore it like he can in game.