Rex salazar vs Ben tennyson

[Abduwoah]

Post omega 1 nanite Rex vs Alien force season 1 Ben: Ben has swampire, Chromastone, Spidermonkey, Brainstorm, Humoungasuar,Goop, Big Chill, Jetray, and Echo Echo. Rex does not have the meta Nanite. Rex Salazar. Ben tennyson.

 

[Lort15]

I wouldn't reccomend to use Alien force Ben espically season 1 they are under revision rn But besides unknown AP gap Rex can't do anything about Big Chill's intangibility, use classic Ben instead? Rex would have the AP gap but Ben would probably win due hax such as possesijg him with Ghostfreak

 

[Jag50]

I wouldn't reccomend to use Alien force Ben espically season 1 they are under revision rn But besides unknown AP gap Rex can't do anything about Big Chill's intangibility, use classic Ben instead? Rex would have the AP gap but Ben would probably win due hax such as possesijg him with Ghostfreak

Ghostfreak's possession has been shown resisted by 10 year old Gwen and other characters before.

Much less Rex, who can power through Machines specifically made to enslave EVO's or even mentally resist the Universe Code of the Meta Nanites god powers combining. He's got high mind control resistance of all variants.

 

[Jag50]

Big Chill is the only threat in this lineup of the OP.

And even that's a big maybe. Rex's Nanites can technically adapt to Big Chill's abilities, like they have against more haxed abilities such as Breach's Spatial Manipulation and Quarry's Molecular destruction.

 

[Lort15]

Ghostfreak's possession has been shown resisted by 10 year old Gwen and other characters before.

Much less Rex, who can power through Machines specifically made to enslave EVO's or even mentally resist the Universe Code of the Meta Nanites god powers combining. He's got high mind control resistance of all variants.

Gwen never resisted it even if she would that would be NLF to assume REX would do the same Ghostfreak's possesion is soul, mind and body based not something similiar to meta nanite

 

[Lort15]

Big Chill is the only threat in this lineup of the OP.

And even that's a big maybe. Rex's Nanites can technically adapt to Big Chill's abilities, like they have against more haxed abilities such as Breach's Spatial Manipulation and Quarry's Molecular destruction.

Again NLF assuming his reactive evolution to adapt other enemies hax wouldn't do the same against Big Chill's intangibility there is a limit for those abilities also how REX is dealing with Swampfire's regen or Jetray's neuro-shock blasts which can one shot REX via durability negation also Humungausour's big sized form is stronger than his base he would probably get beaten by him as well but we don't have a multiplier for it so i won't rely on humungausour much

 

[Jag50]

Gwen never resisted it even if she would that would be NLF to assume REX would do the same Ghostfreak's possesion is soul, mind and body based not something similiar to meta nanite

How? Possession is a form of Mind control? Rex has numerous mind control feats in the series. Some literally based off of manipulating his very existence as an EVO to pull it off.

The Meta Nanite rejection feat is beyond this. This isn't how NLF works.

Also yes, Gwen did resist it. In Ghost freakout. Just before she was about to jump off of the ledge she momentarily broke the control.

 

[Jag50]

Again NLF assuming his reactive evolution to adapt other enemies hax wouldn't do the same against Big Chill's intangibility there is a limit for those abilities also how REX is dealing with Swampfire's regen or Jetray's neuro-shock blasts which can one shot REX via durability negation also Humungausour's big sized form is stronger than his base he would probably get beaten by him as well but we don't have a multiplier for it so i won't rely on humungausour much

Space-Time manipulation is a more complex than intangibility.

Swampfire's Regen is similar to Van Kleiss's. Rex has a Molecular destroying sword.

And an /Atomic/ destroying axe per word of god.

Humungasaur's size manipulation is nothing out of the ordinary for him either. Rex gets amps mid-fight depending on what Build he uses.

Neuro Shock is durability negation?

 

[Lort15]

How? Possession is a form of Mind control?

It depends on the character Ghostfreak doesn't only control the mind but actually the soul itself similiar to literal Ghosts

Rex has numerous mind control feats in the series. Some literally based off of manipulating his very existence as an EVO to pull it off.

The Meta Nanite rejection feat is beyond this. This isn't how NLF works.

From what i have seen in the thread Reactive Evolution users only get the abilities/resistances what they have shown in the Serie if there is no feat or statement about hım adapting to the similiar thing that would be NLF like just assuming him having a possibly low 1-C source doesn't mean he can get every ability that exist under low 1-C

Also yes, Gwen did resist it. In Ghost freakout. Just before she was about to jump off of the ledge she momentarily broke the control.

That's just Ghostfreak letting her to do that i don't remember an explanation about her ressisting it or Z'skayr stating that she is ressisting it, he wasn't even surprised from that

 

[Jag50]

It depends on the character Ghostfreak doesn't only control the mind but actually the soul itself similiar to literal Ghosts

That still doesn't answer how Gwen resisted it. Or how Mutant Kevin's body rejected it as well.

From what i have seen in the thread Reactive Evolution users only get the abilities/resistances what they have shown in the Serie if there is no feat or statement about hım adapting to the similiar thing that would be NLF like just assuming him having a possibly low 1-C source doesn't mean he can get every ability that exist under low 1-C

This applies both ways then. Now you have to prove that Big Chill's intangibility is more complex than space-time manipulation, which Rex's Nanites have adapted to before. Otherwise the term NLF can be thrown from the other side too. Hax-resistance feats exist for a reason.

That's just Ghostfreak letting her to do that i don't remember an explanation about her ressisting it or Z'skayr stating that she is ressisting it, he wasn't even surprised from that

I'm pretty sure you made this up. I just rewatched the scene of the clip to make sure if I remembered correctly.

 

[Lort15]

Space-Time manipulation is a more complex than intangibility.

Ik but we don't give characters to the abilities unreleated to their characters with this method Reactive Evolution users are Limited to what feats they have shown

Reactive Evolution: On NLFs

Doing this thread to avoid derailing another thread Anyways, it has come to my attention that currently we seemingly allow Reactive Evolution to extend to abilities far beyond what it has displayed, let alone abilities entirely unrelated to what it has granted. I already looked at precedents...

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Swampfire's Regen is similar to Van Kleiss's. Rex has a Molecular destroying sword.

Oh right i forgot about Big Fat Sword does REX have a respond against Sleep Manipulation?

Humungasaur's size manipulation is nothing out of the ordinary for him either. Rex gets amps mid-fight depending on what Build he uses.

Don't remember him doing this while with fighting Ben

Neuro Shock is durability negation?

Yeah it bypasses the durability and affecting the nervous system directly which would put REX to sleep
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[Jag50]

Also we saw Giant Humungasaur get overpowered by Vilgax.

The same Vilgax who got destroyed by DiamondHead.

The same DiamondHead who Rex was somewhat overpowering in their official fight.

Jetray's Neuro Shock blasts attack the nervous system. Rex's Nanites verbatim "Undo damage" and ailments to all of his internal systems. They've also adapted and given him electricity and paralysis resistance so those aren't really big plays in this battle either.

 

[Jag50]

Ik but we don't give characters to the abilities unreleated to their characters with this method Reactive Evolution users are Limited to what feats they have shown

Reactive Evolution: On NLFs

Doing this thread to avoid derailing another thread Anyways, it has come to my attention that currently we seemingly allow Reactive Evolution to extend to abilities far beyond what it has displayed, let alone abilities entirely unrelated to what it has granted. I already looked at precedents...

vsbattles.com

Interesting. I think this is the first time I've seen it presented that way.

Oh right i forgot about Big Fat Sword does REX have a respond against Sleep Manipulation?

Rex's Nanites counteracted Knockout Gas in the episode Frostbite. Also, his Nanites can take over his autonomy.

Don't remember him doing this while with fighting Ben

Ben opted to switch to DiamondHead instead of Grow with Humungasaur.

 

[Lort15]

That still doesn't answer how Gwen resisted it. Or how Mutant Kevin's body rejected it as well.

Mutant Kevin's body rejected it due to his DNA being connected with Omnitrix and he absorbed things from omnitrix again, omnitrix makes the user immune to possesion

This applies both ways then. Now you have to prove that Big Chill's intangibility is more complex than space-time manipulation, which Rex's Nanites have adapted to before. Otherwise the term NLF can be thrown from the other side too. Hax-resistance feats exist for a reason.

I've never said Big Chill's intangibility is more complex than Space-Time Manipulation but something being complex than the other doesn't give any other ability that isn't complex than the shown ability

I'm pretty sure you made this up. I just rewatched the scene of the clip to make sure if I remembered correctly.

There isn't any explanation about it i won't lie, Z'skayr is a type of person who gets surprised to similiar moments like when Ben turned into atomix lol i told you even if Gwen resist it doesn't mean Rex can you need a feat about him resisting to possesion we don't give characters possesion resistance to characters who resist to mind manipulation bu default

 

[Lort15]

Also we saw Giant Humungasaur get overpowered by Vilgax.

Check Vilgax's profile it's P.I.S because he was shown later that struggling with base Humungausour several times

The same Vilgax who got destroyed by DiamondHead.

Diamondhead was amped by Chromastone as far as i remember Tetrax took out Chromastone inside of Diamondhead later kn

The same DiamondHead who Rex was somewhat overpowering in their official fight.

Wasn't his stats just better than him the start of fight? Rex didn't even struggle against him much in the start

Jetray's Neuro Shock blasts attack the nervous system. Rex's Nanites verbatim "Undo damage" and ailments to all of his internal systems. They've also adapted and given him electricity and paralysis resistance so those aren't really big plays in this battle either.

Seems fine then

 

[Lort15]

The only wincon for Ben here is Big Chill, he can tire Rex with spamming intangibility and ice attacks Ben has less chance of winning than usual here espically he is restricted to 10 aliens and without master control i see Rex wins more times than not and i told the op that AF cast is under revision their AP will be downgraded to tier 5 which means REX would stomp AF cast by default so that is lowk a miss match