Self Staff Votes

[DontTalkDT]

But we don't allow calc group members to evaluate their own calculations, for safety verification reasons. How is this markedly different?

My point is that it would still require a lesser amount of verifications.

As others have pointed out, threads also always require at least one other staff member to approve them. It's to spot unintentional mistakes and to not tempt people with the possibility of doing essentially unchecked revisions. Completely unchecked power is just a bad idea in a very different way.

I don't see counting the vote of the OP as a lesser amount of verification. The one that proposes a thread is also verifying it. A staff member doesn't propose a revision, without first having evaluated whether the argument behind the revision is sound.
This would only be a lesser verification if you believe the staff member is biased, proposing upgrades without thoroughly checking the soundness of their own argument. However, if that's what you believe, then reasonably no staff member should be allowed to vote on any verse they support / contribute to at all, as those evaluations would be tainted by the same motivation.
The whole reason we have the staff vote system, instead of just popular vote, is that we believe that the staff members we we select to have an increased ability to judge without bias, generally also regarding the verses they support as that's frequently the primary thing they evaluate. As such, I don't see a reason to do ban staff members from voting on anything, much less to not vote on their own threads while they can vote on the exact same proposal if someone else posts it.

In the end, whether the staff member posted the thread or not is simply not a factor that would make any difference on whether their opinion on the subject was the result of a rational evaluation. It's bias for or against the verse that would do that, but that would be present in all evaluations, whether posted by them or not. So the proposed distinction just seems not relevant for the issue of whether or not we should count the votes to me.

 

[Antvasima]

I mean, this wasn't even a valid concerning until, now? Literally the OP has not proved a single instance where this has brought any problems, in all the threads I've seen we staffs if we create a thread always wait for 2 or 3 other staffs to comment to even approve the threads, I don't think they would even consider their own vote on the matter other than being the OP

The argument that approving our own thread is bias is bs, as it would then be laying the groundwork for no staff to create any single thread to simply override this, so this simply brought many more complications to a system that is/was running efficiently until now.

As others have pointed out, threads also always require at least one other staff member to approve them. It's to spot unintentional mistakes and to not tempt people with the possibility of doing essentially unchecked revisions. Completely unchecked power is just a bad idea in a very different way.

I don't see counting the vote of the OP as a lesser amount of verification. The one that proposes a thread is also verifying it. A staff member doesn't propose a revision, without first having evaluated whether the argument behind the revision is sound.
This would only be a lesser verification if you believe the staff member is biased, proposing upgrades without thoroughly checking the soundness of their own argument. However, if that's what you believe, then reasonably no staff member should be allowed to vote on any verse they support / contribute to at all, as those evaluations would be tainted by the same motivation.
The whole reason we have the staff vote system, instead of just popular vote, is that we believe that the staff members we we select to have an increased ability to judge without bias, generally also regarding the verses they support as that's frequently the primary thing they evaluate. As such, I don't see a reason to do ban staff members from voting on anything, much less to not vote on their own threads while they can vote on the exact same proposal if someone else posts it.

In the end, whether the staff member posted the thread or not is simply not a factor that would make any difference on whether their opinion on the subject was the result of a rational evaluation. It's bias for or against the verse that would do that, but that would be present in all evaluations, whether posted by them or not. So the proposed distinction just seems not relevant for the issue of whether or not we should count the votes to me.

Okay. I withdraw my vote then.

 

[Lilybitdun]

I'm guessing due to the 7 disagrees this will be closed soon, I was already told before I made this that getting this passed was very unlikely so I'm not surprised
Was fun discussing with yall, hope everyone has a good day

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you and the same to you.

 

[Lilybitdun]

 

[Flashlight237]

I dunno, I personally find self-voting to be some weird flex rather than anything necessary.

 

[KLOL506]

In any case, thread seems to have been rejected unanimously. This can be closed now.

 

[Dalesean027]

Closing

 

[Antvasima]

MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden would like to make a post here. Is that acceptable?

https://vsbattles.com/members/antvasima.17/#profile-post-116739

 

[Damage3245]

In a closed, concluded thread? If the matter is already settled I don't see what good a new post will do.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Noted. I just thought that he seemed to have some heartfelt opinions regarding the issue.