[Toaru] Energy System Specification

[FantaRin_The_First]

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This is mainly being done as there was never any thread to decide which exact energy system fills Toaru's Magic, so I'm doing it now. Here's the summary if one doesn't want to look at the userblog:

• Stiyl, Oriana Tsuchimikado-i.e, basically almost every "normal" magician qualify for Limited Energy System (LES) and Non-Physical Energy System (NPES). Former is for if all abilities/spell can draw power from the same energy source and can be manipulated into various forms for both offensive and defensive purposes, latter is if an increase in energy should result in a proportionate increase in the potency of the attack.
• Saints, Telesma Enhancers (KL & Royal Family) Salome and Birdway-i.e, basically every "special" magicians qualify for UES as they can use Mana to enhance their physicals in some way or form, and Magicians seemingly have the general ability to reinforce their bodies magically.

This will not affect profiles, right now. This is mainly being done to set the record straight for the verse's energy system for Magicians and for future profile revision CRTs. This thread will also not go over Magic God/Phase Manipulators like Othinus and if they fulfill the conditions for UES, as that is another can of worms altogether.

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[DontTalkDT]

Eh, no. That is completely forgetting about the Idol Theory.
Even two spells by the same person will draw on completely different energy sources, as, while mana is involved as a prequisite, the power of spells is primarily drawn from the imitated original in other phases.

E.g. If Index casts Dragon Breath, it is a little bit of her own mana + a lot of mana drawn from the dragon of legend. But if she casts Sword of the Harvest God Freyr, then it is a little of her mana + a lot of mana drawn from the Sword of Freyr.
Those are not the same power sources.

Additionally, the purpose of a shared energy system, even a limited one, is to establish scaling. As such scaling must be given by the system. In case of a limited energy system, it must be possible to scale one spell/technique to some other spell/technique of the same person, by virtue of it being the same person casting them.

However, Index Magic clearly fails at that even when you have two spells cast by the same person drawing on the same original magical object for power.
The primary example showing that of very clearly is Ureapaddy. Her Brahma Astra spell can range from Wall level, over Small City level all the way to Small Country level, by only changing the quality of the imitation of the original.
Other example would be Gungnir, where the imitation Brunhild can make isn't very good, only reaching Country level, the imitation Birdway can make with Index help is so good that it reaches Tier 1, just like Othinus version.
The difference of magic spell strength based on quality of imitation is tremendous.

In short, to establish scaling of two spells in Index based on the powersystem alone, you would need them to be cast by equally strong magicians, drawing for power upon the same mythical original and somehow know that they both managed to create an equally good imitation of said original for the spell.

There is no generalizable energy system of any sorts, not even a limited one. The input energy on the magician side is mostly unrelated to the output of spells.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Eh, no. That is completely forgetting about the Idol Theory.
Even two spells by the same person will draw on completely different energy sources, as, while mana is involved as a prequisite, the power of spells is primarily drawn from the imitated original in other phases.

E.g. If Index casts Dragon Breath, it is a little bit of her own mana + a lot of mana drawn from the dragon of legend. But if she casts Sword of the Harvest God Freyr, then it is a little of her mana + a lot of mana drawn from the Sword of Freyr.
Those are not the same power sources.

Additionally, the purpose of a shared energy system, even a limited one, is to establish scaling. As such scaling must be given by the system. In case of a limited energy system, it must be possible to scale one spell/technique to some other spell/technique of the same person, by virtue of it being the same person casting them.

However, Index Magic clearly fails at that even when you have two spells cast by the same person drawing on the same original magical object for power.
The primary example showing that of very clearly is Ureapaddy. Her Brahma Astra spell can range from Wall level, over Small City level all the way to Small Country level, by only changing the quality of the imitation of the original.
Other example would be Gungnir, where the imitation Brunhild can make isn't very good, only reaching Country level, the imitation Birdway can make with Index help is so good that it reaches Tier 1, just like Othinus version.
The difference of magic spell strength based on quality of imitation is tremendous.

In short, to establish scaling of two spells in Index based on the powersystem alone, you would need them to be cast by equally strong magicians, drawing for power upon the same mythical original and somehow know that they both managed to create an equally good imitation of said original for the spell.

There is no generalizable energy system of any sorts, not even a limited one. The input energy on the magician side is mostly unrelated to the output of spells.

Eh, worth a shot. DT, I humbly ask you to close this thread. My butt has to go back to hiding from the internet to stay unspoiled for Deltarune C3 & 4 until I buy and play it.