Transduality Type 2 and 3 Clarifications and Clues

[Antvasima]

@Firestorm808 @DontTalkDT @DarkDragonMedeus

What should we currently do here?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I am not sure, but I can wait on DontTalkDT or Firestorm.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Firestorm808]

Due to a recent thread regarding Non-Duality, we should wait until that settles. From there, we would go about revising the requirements for the different types.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Antvasima]

The Transduality/Nonduality page revision has been accepted now:

Transduality Should be Nonduality

@Antvasima Can I apply my sandbox now?

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[BasedNecoScaler69]

The Transduality/Nonduality page revision has been accepted now:

Transduality Should be Nonduality

@Antvasima Can I apply my sandbox now?

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I believe there was another thread that fujiwara was made that was put on hold because of that thread, i'd have to find it

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I believe there was another thread that fujiwara was made that was put on hold because of that thread, i'd have to find it

Transduality --> Nonduality Application [STAFF ONLY]

A continuation of my previous thread. As accepted, the transduality page will be renamed to Nonduality, and include both characters who lack dual traits (nonduality) and those who transcend duality (transduality). I have slightly edited the page, as well as included a detailed description on the...

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[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

I have unlocked it.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I believe there was another thread that fujiwara was made that was put on hold because of that thread, i'd have to find it

That was just for applying the page, it's not particularly relevant anymore since the changes have been applied.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

That was just for applying the page, it's not particularly relevant anymore since the changes have been applied.

I would contend that we still need it for updating the internal links.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

@Firestorm808 What remains to be done here?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

@Antvasima @DontTalkDT I finished applying https://vsbattles.com/threads/transduality-nonduality-application-staff-only.155165/, so we can get back to this thread. This is what DT suggested we do:

I don't think we should codify which words appear in the statement. That just seems unnecessarily inflexible. As said, synonyms and paraphrasing are acceptable. This is the type of thing where one should just look at the explanations the verse gives and think about whether they equate to the requirements for the type that the page lays out.

If it helps someone I guess we could add a note that, due to the abstract nature of the ability, getting it and any of its specific types is dependent entirely on explanations in the verse equating to the states of existence described on the page and can't be demonstrated via showings alone.

Can I proceed with drafting this?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

@Antvasima

 

[Antvasima]

I think that you can write a draft text, yes. Thank you very much for helping out.

I will also ask DontTalk to take a look here.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Don't really want to make clarifications on transduality currently. It obviously works much different from how I think it should since the last revision. There is little point in me trying to clarify things regarding a system I think is wrong.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to initiate a content revision thread for it if you wish.

 

[DontTalkDT]

The last revision about that was (relatively) recently, so I will wait before I reopen it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. What do you have in mind?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Okay. What do you have in mind?

@DontTalkDT

 

[DontTalkDT]

Presenting my suggestions here would just spark the debate now. If anyone really wants to know, I can say in private.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Presenting my suggestions here would just spark the debate now. If anyone really wants to know, I can say in private.

Then what should we do with this thread?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Just make a decision without my input.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Just make a decision without my input.

@Antvasima DT doesn't want to comment, so I made the draft myself. Is this acceptable?

Due to nonduality's nature as an abstract power, qualifying for it requires a verse to directly explain the way they treat a power in a way that aligns with the standards outlined below; merely demonstrating qualities matching those of a nondual character doesn't automatically qualify a character for it.

 

[Fixxed]

Just make a decision without my input.

@Antvasima DT doesn't want to comment, so I made the draft myself. Is this acceptable?

Just some problem that i think must quickly clarify

So we talking about "all duality" in here. I see some thread that say the all duality is mean all duality in verse. So if the verse just have 2 or 10 dual system, and a character transcend that, he will have ND aspect type 2

I think it was wrong.. but...
When we talking about all duality in ND's page, we talking about all duality the verse have or all duality that normally must be in or govern the reality???

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Just some problem that i think must quickly clarify

So we talking about "all duality" in here. I see some thread that say the all duality is mean all duality in verse. So if the verse just have 2 or 10 dual system, and a character transcend that, he will have ND aspect type 2

I think it was wrong.. but...
When we talking about all duality in ND's page, we talking about all duality the verse have or all duality that normally must be in or govern the reality???

This isn't the place for that.

 

[Antvasima]

@Antvasima DT doesn't want to comment, so I made the draft myself. Is this acceptable?

I am afraid that I am not a very good person to ask about this, and I also do not remember the preceding discussion here well anymore.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I am afraid that I am not a very good person to ask about this, and I also do not remember the preceding discussion here well anymore.

Firestorm wanted to introduce some specific criteria for what qualifies as dual systems for Type 2 and 3 nonduality, but DT shot that down for being too inflexible and instead proposed that we simply add a minor note on the page that, due to the abstract nature of the ability, getting it and any of its specific types is dependent entirely on explanations in the verse closely matching the criteria described on the page and can't be demonstrated via showings alone, which you agreed with. DT has since expressed that we can finish the discussion without him, so here's my draft:

Due to nonduality's nature as an abstract power, qualifying for it requires a verse to directly explain the way they treat a power in a way that aligns with the standards outlined below; merely demonstrating qualities matching those of a nondual character doesn't automatically qualify a character for it.

 

[Antvasima]

"Due to nonduality's nature as an abstract power, qualifying for it requires a verse to directly explain the way it treats a power in a way that aligns with the standards outlined below. Merely demonstrating qualities matching those of a nondual character doesn't automatically qualify a character for it."

The above text seems fine to me, but I would prefer input from @DontTalkDT and possibly @Ultima_Reality .

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

"Due to nonduality's nature as an abstract power, qualifying for it requires a verse to directly explain the way it treats a power in a way that aligns with the standards outlined below. Merely demonstrating qualities matching those of a nondual character doesn't automatically qualify a character for it."

The above text seems fine to me, but I would prefer input from @DontTalkDT and possibly @Ultima_Reality .

DT has said to not involve them in this. @Ultima_Reality

 

[Antvasima]

Well, dumping this evaluation on me risks to make the changes to one of our instruction pages unreliable.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Well, dumping this evaluation on me risks to make the changes to one of our instruction pages unreliable.

Okay, I'll ask the other staff.
@DarkDragonMedeus @Mr._Bambu @Celestial_Pegasus @Andytrenom @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @Just_a_Random_Butler @Agnaa @DarkGrath Is the following addition to our Nonduality standards DT suggested acceptable?

Due to nonduality's nature as an abstract power, qualifying for it requires a verse to directly explain the way they treat a power in a way that aligns with the standards outlined below; merely demonstrating qualities matching those of a nondual character doesn't automatically qualify a character for it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Seems okay

 

[LordGriffin1000]

That suggestion seems fine to me.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Due to nonduality's nature as an abstract power, qualifying for it requires a verse to directly explain the way they treat a power in a way that aligns with the standards outlined below; merely demonstrating qualities matching those of a nondual character doesn't automatically qualify a character for it.

@Mr._Bambu @Celestial_Pegasus @Andytrenom @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @Just_a_Random_Butler @Agnaa @DarkGrath Anybody else want to comment on this addition?

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm fine with the note being added

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

@Antvasima Can I apply this now?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it can be applied now, yes.

Thank you very much for helping out.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I think that it can be applied now, yes.

Thank you very much for helping out.

Done. Close this.

Nonduality

Nonduality is the state of being wherein an entity exists independently of, or qualitatively beyond, various dual systems, ranging from specific, limited sets of dual distinctions to duality itself on a conceptual level. For example, taking 0 and 1, the two possible states of binary systems, as...

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