Updating More DC characters to 2A

[Antvasima]

I do not think that almost every DC Comics character should be 2-A, period, as it is ridiculous based on all of their appearances. I likely misunderstood the intended scope of the revision earlier. Also, stop with the "weird" comments.

 

[Antvasima]

@Elizio33 @Firestorm808 @Qawsedf234 @Emirp sumitpo

What should we do here?

 

[Bimgus8010]

Yes. That is also my concern. I don't mind if the strongest characters that can fight Time Trapper on even footing (if there are any) are placed that high, but scaling almost absolutely everybody to 2-A doesn't make any sense, especially in the post-Crisis era, which came long before the post-Rebirth era.

@Emirp sumitpo already told you this

You are repeating the same complaint

 

[Bimgus8010]

@Emirp sumitpo is one who made chainscaling. We can ask him should all heralds scale to Time Trapper or only few(Like Superman, Kyle, Barbatos).

It is better to list who scales to what feat so we won't have problems like this in future

As he said before


Multiple characters already scale to time trapper or scale to people comparable to time trapper

Even someone like kilowag was upgraded to 2A by his edits

 

[Hecky2222]

As he said before


Multiple characters already scale to time trapper or scale to people comparable to time trapper

Even someone like kilowag was upgraded to 2A by his edits

I dont know exact chainscaling to who scales to what. So lets wait @Emirp sumitpo instead

 

[Bimgus8010]

I dont know exact chainscaling to who scales to what. So lets wait @Emirp sumitpo instead

Already said it

King shark and the others I listed are outdated pages, 5A is outdated. The should have been 2C before my thread due to already accepted feats

Now they should be 2A

 

[Firestorm808]

Zatanna (Post-Flashpoint)

• When truly enraged, Zatanna easily blasted through a barrier that The Phantom Stranger and Pandora, who is comparable to him, could not get past.[16]
  • The Phantom Stranger (Post-Flashpoint) is currently rated at 1-A. We would need to determine his power level while within the material world before you can scale Zatanna to him due to the nature of 1-A characters.
• Overpowered John Constantine's magic shields and has been stated multiple times to be much stronger than him.[56][16]
  • Does John Constantine (Post-Flashpoint) have any feats regarding his shields we can compare to?
• Knocked away Wonder Woman, Frankenstein, Aquaman, Black Orchid and Hawkman with a single attack, while they were all bloodlusted by the effects of Pandora's Box[15]),
  • I personally consider "knocking someone away" not enough to scale unless there is a clear power gap between the characters during the fight. Ex. The villain bats away the hero with a swat of the hand.
  • Would prefer actual defeats or significant injuries for scaling.
• Stated that, at the peak of her rage, she could tear the universe apart[16])
  • Would be Low 2-C at most, assuming the timeline is involved.

 

[Bimgus8010]

Zatanna (Post-Flashpoint)

• When truly enraged, Zatanna easily blasted through a barrier that The Phantom Stranger and Pandora, who is comparable to him, could not get past.[16]
  • The Phantom Stranger (Post-Flashpoint) is currently rated at 1-A. We would need to determine his power level while within the material world before you can scale Zatanna to him due to the nature of 1-A characters.
• Overpowered John Constantine's magic shields and has been stated multiple times to be much stronger than him.[56][16]
  • Does John Constantine (Post-Flashpoint) have any feats regarding his shields we can compare to?
• Knocked away Wonder Woman, Frankenstein, Aquaman, Black Orchid and Hawkman with a single attack, while they were all bloodlusted by the effects of Pandora's Box[15]),
  • I personally consider "knocking someone away" not enough to scale unless there is a clear power gap between the characters during the fight. Ex. The villain bats away the hero with a swat of the hand.
  • Would prefer actual defeats or significant injuries for scaling.
• Stated that, at the peak of her rage, she could tear the universe apart[16])
  • Would be Low 2-C

I wasn't tryna argue 99% of the things you've said here

The only thing I wanted was the low 2C key for her, so thanks for agreeing with me, at least we are getting somwhere

 

[Firestorm808]

I wasn't tryna argue 99% of the things you've said here

The only thing I wanted was the low 2C key for her, so thanks for agreeing with me, at least we are getting somwhere

Your OP proposed that profiles like Zatanna should be getting 2-A ratings but provided no new edits to their AP descriptions.

The "tear the universe apart" would be Low 2-C at most, assuming there is proof that the timeline is involved.

 

[Bimgus8010]

Your OP proposed that profiles like Zatanna should be getting 2-A ratings but provided no new edits to their AP descriptions.

The "tear the universe apart" would be Low 2-C at most, assuming there is proof that the timeline is involved.

Zatanna post crisis and zatanna post flashpoint pages are different

Zatanna (Post-Crisis)

Zatanna is a superhero and one of the greatest magic-users in the DC Universe. Daughter of the great magician Giovanni “John” Zatara and Sindella, a member of the mystical Homo Magi race. Zatanna is a direct descendant of the artist and magician Leonardo da Vinci, and is related to Nostradamus...

vsbattles.fandom.com

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zatanna_(Post-Flashpoint)

Actually read my thread pls

I specificed post crisis and post flashpoint

I want 2A post crisis zatanna
While the last key for post flashpoint Zatanna should be low 2C

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out, Firestorm.

 

[Bimgus8010]

Thank you for helping out, Firestorm.

-He confused post crisis and post flashpoint pages

-argued for things I didn't argue for except the low 2C which he agreed


I guess that puts the nail in the coffin for low 2C last key for post flashpoint Zatanna, got 3 staff agreements

From emirp, you and firestorm

 

[Antvasima]

You seem to begin to turn into a disrespectful and overly argumentative problem here, Bimgus.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

@Emirp sumitpo already told you this

You are repeating the same complaint

No, I only changed those were 2-C into 2-A. If you want to adjust scaling for those who are 5-A into 2-A, that becomes a rescaling issue and another topic entirely.

 

[Bimgus8010]

You seem to begin to turn into a disrespectful and overly argumentative problem here, Bimgus.

Was just pointing that out, I did not mean to offend anyone

I'm not even complaining since that's 3 staff agreements for the low 2C key for post flashpoint zatanna

 

[Bimgus8010]

No, I only changed those were 2-C into 2-A. If you want to adjust scaling for those who are 5-A into 2-A, that becomes a rescaling issue and another topic entirely.

So should i make another crt to try and get the 5As to the 2A?

Cuz the 5As are outdated and you know this

 

[Antvasima]

No, I only changed those were 2-C into 2-A. If you want to adjust scaling for those who are 5-A into 2-A, that becomes a rescaling issue and another topic entirely.

Thank you for the clarification. Which pages need to be reverted to how they were before then?

 

[Antvasima]

So should i make another crt to try and get the 5As to the 2A?

Cuz the 5As are outdated and you know this

Western superhero comicbooks largely run on "everybody can fight everybody, regardless if it doesn't make any sense", so we have to be very careful with chain-scaling, as it will eventually drag every character into it.

 

[Firestorm808]

Zatanna post crisis and zatanna post flashpoint pages are different

Zatanna (Post-Crisis)

Zatanna is a superhero and one of the greatest magic-users in the DC Universe. Daughter of the great magician Giovanni “John” Zatara and Sindella, a member of the mystical Homo Magi race. Zatanna is a direct descendant of the artist and magician Leonardo da Vinci, and is related to Nostradamus...

vsbattles.fandom.com

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zatanna_(Post-Flashpoint)

Actually read my thread pls

I specificed post crisis and post flashpoint

I want 2A post crisis zatanna
While the last key for post flashpoint Zatanna should be low 2C

I did not say that Zatanna (Post-Flashpoint) was part of the 2-A carryover. I was just breaking down the screenshot you provided since you wanted to make adjustments to it.

Zatanna (Post-Flashpoint) in general needs better justifications.

As for Zatanna (Post-Crisis), she also needs new justifications if 2-A is to be given to her.

Street level physically. Large Planet level with magic (Generated a years worth of solar energy in one second. Which would require her to produce 1.23 * 10^35 Joules)

 

[Bimgus8010]

I did not say that Zatanna (Post-Flashpoint) was part of the 2-A carryover. I was just breaking down the screenshot you provided since you wanted to make adjustments to it.

Zatanna (Post-Flashpoint) in general needs better justifications.

I just wanted low 2C for post flashpoint Zatanna, Idc for 1A or 1C

Cool I guess that you did a little breakdown for the page.......

 

[Bimgus8010]

Western superhero comicbooks largely run on "everybody can fight everybody, regardless if it doesn't make any sense", so we have to be very careful with chain-scaling, as it will eventually drag every character into it.

Why are some 5A specifically then?

Why can't they be 4B or 2C or 2B?

Post crisis zod is 2A for obvious reasons, scaling to superman consistently

 

[Bimgus8010]

I did not say that Zatanna (Post-Flashpoint) was part of the 2-A carryover. I was just breaking down the screenshot you provided since you wanted to make adjustments to it.

Zatanna (Post-Flashpoint) in general needs better justifications.

As for Zatanna (Post-Crisis), she also needs new justifications if 2-A is to be given to her.

Street level physically. Large Planet level with magic (Generated a years worth of solar energy in one second. Which would require her to produce 1.23 * 10^35 Joules)

To answer your question on better justifications

It's already accepted and listed in her page



Idk why it's listed like this tho

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Cuz the 5As are outdated and you know this

Like I said, if you want to adjust their ratings, make a proper rescaling CRT for that. Simple as that.

 

[Bimgus8010]

Like I said, if you want to adjust their ratings, make a proper rescaling CRT for that. Simple as that.

Finee

Close this thread, il do another in a couple of hours

Keep the low 2C key for post flashpoint Zatanna cuz we have 3 staff agreements on that I think (you, firestorm and ant)

 

[Firestorm808]

Finee

Close this thread, il do another in a couple of hours

Keep the low 2C key for post flashpoint Zatanna cuz we have 3 staff agreements on that I think (you, firestorm and ant)

We need context on the scope of what's being torn.

 

[Antvasima]

Stop spamming and let our staff deal with this mess please. Making another crt won't help here, only make things even more incoherent to deal with.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the clarification. Which pages need to be reverted to how they were before then?

@Emirp sumitpo @Firestorm808 @Elizio33 @Qawsedf234

 

[Rgerdeena]

Stop spamming and let our staff deal with this mess please. Making another crt won't help here, only make things even more incoherent to deal with.

The future other CRT is for a different purpose then this CRT, emirp was the one who told him to make another CRT because it’s for a different purpose then this CRT

 

[Antvasima]

It is hard to continue our current discussion that way, and I do not think that Bimgus seems like a good person to handle this in the first place. My apologies.

 

[Bimgus8010]

I thought I asked this to be closed......

Anyway, for post flashpoint Zatanna last key should be 3A - low 2C cuz she could affect the universe

Emirp, a staff told me to simply make another crt......

 

[Hecky2222]

I thought I asked this to be closed......

Anyway, for post flashpoint Zatanna last key should be 3A - low 2C cuz she could affect the universe

Emirp, a staff told me to simply make another crt......

With your editing and arguments it is hard to understand what you are arguing about + you are getting heated over arguments

I probably make thread with better justification later with better explanation of what Bimgus meant

 

[Bimgus8010]

With your editing and arguments it is hard to understand what you are arguing about + you are getting heated over arguments

I probably make thread with better justification later with better explanation of what Bimgus meant

angwy
confused

ask to close this thread 2 hours ago and didnt respond to anything
i come back and see this.......

so idk how exactly you expect me to respond when i ask my thread to be closed, but then someone opened it

but i do apologize if you (my pookie) and ant were offended from certain things i said

 

[Antvasima]

@Emirp sumitpo @Firestorm808 @Elizio33 @Qawsedf234

What should we do here?

 

[Qawsedf234]

What should we do here?

OP Said close it and they'll make a new thread. So I'll just close it and wait on their new thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. The problem is that quite a lot of DC Comics characters that should not have 2-A were given that rating anyway, so those revisions all urgently need to be reverted.