Wang Wei: Non-Duality Type 3

[Rikimarox2]

Wank Wei is striking again... Yeah... this is gonna be a pain in the ass. Be patient with me, as I barely know anything about Non-duality.

1. Introduction​

Alrighty, so, as it stands, Wang Wei currently has Non-duality type 2 due to "existing" in a state even beyond Wuji.

Wuji itself is described as;

'Wuji, meaning without limits, without boundaries: boundless. A state of non-distinction, nothingness before the Tao–or the manifestation of everything came into being.

'The Laws of Wuji contained properties of nothingness. Its very definition of beings without limits, distinction, or boundaries can also apply to nothingness.

'Wang Wei opened his eyes, full of wisdom and containing the universe's fundamental truth. After this enlightenment, his body had subtle and unnoticeable changes.

[Wuji to Taiji: Stillness to Motion]

Wuji represented the state of the universe before its birth, a state of stillness that embodied the concept of nonexistent. Then, from nothingness was born something; Dao gave birth to one, one gave birth to two, two gave birth to three, and three gave birth to myriad things in existence. These words perfectly encapsulated the process of Wuji transforming into Taiji, a process in which nothingness (stillness) created something (motion).

This alone, based on my knowledge, qualifies for Non-duality type 2 as Wuji is beyond Yin-Yang, appearing before it, and giving birth/turning to Taiji, which then gave birth to Yin-Yang.

Then you have Wang Wei's Nothingness, which is beyond all Laws, which would include the law of Wuji;

His new state granted him the power of Intangibility, meaning he was untouched by all forces in the natural world, including the power of Laws that governed the known universe.

Now that's cool and all, but the thing is, Yin-Yang itself might be Non-duality type 2.

2. Yin-Yang shenanigans​

I've heard somewhere that True and False duality, by itself, would be Non-duality type 2 since they are inherently logical negation of each other (IIRC, ND/TD are kinda built on the truth and false duality).

And wouldn't you know it, the verse contains True and False stuff;

Then, she used her Yin-Yang Dao to control Truth and False. She created a false version of herself with the Nine Extremity Foundation and combined it with her probability. Then, she reversed false into truth, materializing that false version of herself she had created.

Very direct statement, and shows that it is part of Yin-Yang.

And considering how Wuji is above Taiji, which is above Yin-Yang, I believe Wuji might qualify for TD3.
To copy and paste from another user (@BestMGQScalerEver) for the states;

A
B
A and B
Not A and B and A and B

Yin-Yang encompasses every duality in the verse. I mean, it's obvious, Yin-Yang is kinda the duality shtick if anyone read any Xianxia or chinese novel.

3. But wait, there's more (Nothingness)​

Even if Wuji itself couldn't qualify for TD3, I believe True Nothingness, which Wang Wei uses, would qualify, as it is beyond the Laws of Wuji.

So, as it stands, here is the ranking;
True Nothingness > Wuji > Taiji > Yin-Yang > Every Duality in the verse (Truth-False included).

So, if Wuji is accepted as Type 3 Non-duality (Plurality) due to "existing" in 5/6 states, True Nothingness would be 1 state above it.

Additionally, here is another feat that I'm not sure would help;

Void is not true nothingness, as it contains invisible but detectable aspects. Emptiness truly contains nothing, but it does not have the grandeur, nobility, and arrogance of true nothingness for the mere fact it precedes all creation.

This would apply to Primordial Spirit Key Wang Wei and onwards.

4. Tl;DR​

Wuji becomes Type 3 Non-duality, and True Nothingness would be 1 state above it. Yin-Yang is inherently at least type 2, with anyone manipulating it being able to interact with Type 2 ND. Very nice.

Oh and, Wang Wei's NEP2 should include all 5 aspects, instead of just 4. I kinda forgot, but due to being beyond all laws, that would include the laws of Time and Space (History shenanigans), among many other things.

Agree (5): @BestMGQScalerEver, @Orioreeem, @Rakih_Elyan, @SwordSpirt, @ActuallySpaceMan42

Disagree (0):

Neutral (0):

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I agree.

 

[Orioreeem]

Fully agree. Ying-yang is clearly type 2. And the wiki already treats Wuji as type 3 so the scaling should start from there. Also might bring one additional scan for his NEP containg all concepts in his verse.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Fully agree. Ying-yang is clearly type 2. And the wiki already treats Wuji as type 3 so the scaling should start from there. Also might bring one additional scan for his NEP containg all concepts in his verse.

Do you have the scan on you? Bookfusion (app used to read the novel) is kinda killing itself rn for some reason. I'd appreciate it if you could send the scan.

 

[SwordSpirt]

Concordo mesmo que meu voto não faça diferença, já que esse tipo de CTR precisa claramente da equipe.

 

[Rikimarox2]

wuji is type 2, true nothingness type 3

I'll count your vote, but can you elaborate on why Wuji is just type 2?

 

[Rikimarox2]

take the in-betweener as an example, he is dualities but also the point outside/in-between dualities and he has type 2.

is A
is B
is Both A and B
is not A and not B

so 4 states.

in your example your repeated one of the logical states

I simply copied it from someone else, so I wasn't sure how correct it is.

Though, wouldn't True and False alone qualify for ND2, and with the Whole Yin-Yang shenanigans, and Taiji, and finally Wuji, grant ND3?

 

[Orioreeem]

take the in-betweener as an example, he is dualities but also the point outside/in-between dualities and he has type 2.

is A
is B
is Both A and B
is not A and not B

so 4 states.

in your example your repeated one of the logical states

Different verse, different things. Wuji is treated as type 3 on the wiki plus
4 truth states are
A
B
BOTH A AND B
NEITHER A NOR B
Fifth truth state would be BOTH A AND B AND NEITHER A NOR B

 

[Orioreeem]

can you send me where is stated that wuji is treated as type 3

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Do you have the scan on you? Bookfusion (app used to read the novel) is kinda killing itself rn for some reason. I'd appreciate it if you could send the scan.

Not right now at least

 

[Rikimarox2]

I don't think there's an official thread or anything that states Wuji is type 3. The best there is Ultima maybe implying that Wuji is type 3 if it is accurate to the real life version.

Though regardless of that, based on what I have shown, why wouldn't Wuji be type 3 if there are many below it that are type 2? Truth/False, which is part of Yin-Yang, with Yin-Yang being formed from Taiji, which formed from Wuji.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

take the in-betweener as an example, he is dualities but also the point outside/in-between dualities and he has type 2.

is A
is B
is Both A and B
is not A and not B

so 4 states.

in your example your repeated one of the logical states

It's more like it's neither not A and B or A and B instead of repeating as wuji is completely undifferentiated even compared to taiji which is the union of A B (yin and yang)

 

[Orioreeem]

Do you have the scan on you? Bookfusion (app used to read the novel) is kinda killing itself rn for some reason. I'd appreciate it if you could send the scan.

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So it should be type 5 for Space-Time, History, Life, Matter, Energy and All Concepts known to mind

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Real Chinaman. Wank Wei.

Nah man, I agree with this.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Yin and Yang have 3 States, which still qualify for Type 2 as shown in the novel.

• Yin (True)
• Yang (False)
• Yin and Yang (True and False)

In terms of Yin and Yang, there's no such thing as neither. That would belong to the Taiji, which isn't necessarily superior to the Yin-Yang.

It's a unity of creation of what everything Yin and Yang divide is when together and exist in a 4th State;

• Neither Yin nor Yang (Neither True nor False)

Then, from nothingness was born something; Dao gave birth to one, one gave birth to two, two gave birth to three, and three gave birth to myriad things in existence.

You can see it in the quote of the novel itself. The Dao is the driving force, One is Taiji, Two is Yin and Yang, and Three is Yin and Yang interacting, creating contrast. So Taiji would be Type 2 as well.

From there, you have the Wuji, which is a lack of even the Unity of creation and the Tao/Dao that created it, and it would exist in a 5th State;

• Neither Yin and Yang (True and False) nor Yin nor Yang (Neither True nor False)

So yeah, Wuji would be Type 3.

After that Wang Wei's Nothingness would be (Type 3 existing in a 6th State)

 

[Reiner04]

Yin and Yang have 3 States, which still qualify for Type 2 as shown in the novel.

• Yin (True)
• Yang (False)
• Yin and Yang (True and False)

In terms of Yin and Yang, there's no such thing as neither. That would belong to the Taiji, which isn't necessarily superior to the Yin-Yang.

It's a unity of creation of what everything Yin and Yang divide is when together and exist in a 4th State;

• Neither Yin nor Yang (Neither True nor False)

You can see it in the quote of the novel itself. The Dao is the driving force, One is Taiji, Two is Yin and Yang, and Three is Yin and Yang interacting, creating contrast. So Taiji would be Type 2 as well.

From there, you have the Wuji, which is a lack of even the Unity of creation and the Tao/Dao that created it, and it would exist in a 5th State;

• Neither Yin and Yang (True and False) nor Yin nor Yang (Neither True nor False)

So yeah, Wuji would be Type 3.

After that Wang Wei's Nothingness would be (Type 3 existing in a 6th State)

Fine with this.

 

[Orioreeem]

Fine with this.

Yin and Yang have 3 States, which still qualify for Type 2 as shown in the novel.

• Yin (True)
• Yang (False)
• Yin and Yang (True and False)

In terms of Yin and Yang, there's no such thing as neither. That would belong to the Taiji, which isn't necessarily superior to the Yin-Yang.

It's a unity of creation of what everything Yin and Yang divide is when together and exist in a 4th State;

• Neither Yin nor Yang (Neither True nor False)

You can see it in the quote of the novel itself. The Dao is the driving force, One is Taiji, Two is Yin and Yang, and Three is Yin and Yang interacting, creating contrast. So Taiji would be Type 2 as well.

From there, you have the Wuji, which is a lack of even the Unity of creation and the Tao/Dao that created it, and it would exist in a 5th State;

• Neither Yin and Yang (True and False) nor Yin nor Yang (Neither True nor False)

So yeah, Wuji would be Type 3.

After that Wang Wei's Nothingness would be (Type 3 existing in a 6th State)

What abou NEP2 thingy?

 

[Rikimarox2]

NEP being accepted or not does not really change that much, but I'd assume they are fine with it. I already added it on the CRT, so it's fine.

That said, are 2 staff enough for this? I don't think it's that controversial considering how straight-forward it is with all the evidence, and it isn't some higher-tiered stuff.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

NEP Type 2 is fine, though I would like to see where Aspect Type 4 is coming from.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Mostly due to Daos/Laws are also Info type 2 and CM, and cannot affect/interact with him, including those who destroy Daos and shtick. That, and the fact that it made the entirety of him nonexistent, which would include divine runes (info type 2 and everything is made up of it).

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Mostly due to Daos/Laws are also Info type 2 and CM, and cannot affect/interact with him, including those who destroy Daos and shtick. That, and the fact that it made the entirety of him nonexistent, which would include divine runes (info type 2 and everything is made up of it).

Cool, no issues from me then.

Edit; This can be applied.

 

[ZERGESS]

Yet wuji and taiji falls under yin and yang in the verse its kinda in a loop

 

[ZERGESS]

I don't think it's true nothingness he still got hit by attacks it merely reduced the damage he had taken

 

[Rikimarox2]

Alrighty, this has been applied. Thanks for the input everyone!

Edit:

Yet wuji and taiji falls under yin and yang in the verse its kinda in a loop

Does it? Can you show me the scans? Though I'd assume that happens in the Higher-D, where stuff gets a bit weird?

I don't think it's true nothingness he still got hit by attacks it merely reduced the damage he had taken

Most of those are purely due to his inefficient/inexperienced control over his Nothingness. Though calling it "merely reduces damage" is wild, considering how many explicit statements there are. The cases that he does get damaged are either made by dudes way stronger or have counters to his nothingness (and due to his control over nothingness).

Edit2: Regardless, this CRT has been accepted, and based on the whole "reduces damage only" comment you made and the fact you think it isn't true nothingness, that'd require another CRT to change the NEP.

 

[ZERGESS]

Alrighty, this has been applied. Thanks for the input everyone!

Edit:

Does it? Can you show me the scans? Though I'd assume that happens in the Higher-D, where stuff gets a bit weird?


Most of those are purely due to his inefficient/inexperienced control over his Nothingness. Though calling it "merely reduces damage" is wild, considering how many explicit statements there are. The cases that he does get damaged are either made by dudes way stronger or have counters to his nothingness (and due to his control over nothingness).

Edit2: Regardless, this CRT has been accepted, and based on the whole "reduces damage only" comment you made and the fact you think it isn't true nothingness, that'd require another CRT to change the NEP.

It's fine

 

[Fixxed]

"Stillness without motion"

I think aca 5 is also fine