Yakuza vs Boxer

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Welcome back to another battle of Seungha Jo who's fairly new is going to be used
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	SEUNGHA JO ''Without a care for the opponent's future...a fight of destruction AMAZING!​
	YU ''Is it fun? Hitting people... Is it fun?''​

Speed is equalised
Fight takes place in Yusung Technical High School
Seungha and Yu start 10m away from each other
Seungha isn't given any preparation time or prior knowledge
Seungha won't be allowed to use his optional equipment
Yu's 9-C key will be used
SHJ: 15KJ + 277KG LS
Yu: 7.77KJ + 50KG LS

Yu; @Foriaa​

 

[XxZetsuxX]

 

[azontr]

For now ???

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I set Jo up for failure but hard times make strong people . (Aiming for mid difficulty loss)

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

For now ???

Yeah like just in case the skill ceiling is genuinely that absurd but for now I think Jo can somewhat fend his attacks. Usually when I put for now I don’t ever intend to actually give him his weapon unless it’s so bad Jo can’t even land an attack on his opponent and he’s getting skill stomped

 

[azontr]

I mean technically skill isn't even the most important factor here; Yu's perception is. He's going to see Seungha as basically frozen the entire fight.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I removed it since I figured its unfair to even consider it even if the likelihood is incredibly low of me to allow him to use it

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yeah like just in case the skill ceiling is genuinely that absurd but for now I think Jo can somewhat fend his attacks.

Not as absurd as Koji who has higher skill

Usually when I put for now I don’t ever intend to actually give him his weapon unless it’s so bad Jo can’t even land an attack on his opponent and he’s getting skill stomped

Slow motion makes this a stomp man

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I mean technically skill isn't even the most important factor here; Yu's perception is. He's going to see Seungha as basically frozen the entire fight.

Is that not something that’s established with speed equalised and if not then how does his perception shenanigans operate and is there a specific value?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Is that not something that’s established with speed equalised and if not then how does his perception shenanigans operate and is there a specific value?

His perception is an ability, it can't be equalized

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Not as absurd as Koji who has higher skill

Slow motion makes this a stomp man

Darn that slow motion I tried to find FAIR and arguable fights but if slow motion is genuinely an issue here then I don’t think this can be done unless it can be equalised somehow but I doubt that. Wait until I feed Ayanokoji to Gamin and Jo so he can no - mid difficulty them and assert his dominance

 

[azontr]

Is that not something that’s established with speed equalised and if not then how does his perception shenanigans operate and is there a specific value?

Perception/reaction speed isn't affected by equal speed, since it's higher than Yu's baseline value. It technically doesn't have a calculation it's MHS+ but you didn't hear that from me but it's high enough that unless Seungha has some crazy skill, he's getting danced around the whole fight.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

His perception is an ability, it can't be equalized

This is not AT all what I had in mind. I guess I need to change the character entirely since Jo is a statue. I was thinking Koenji but I should try to wait for his profile to be updated since it’s more accurate. I genuinely can’t find any other 9-B characters other than Yu and some COTE ones.

Perception/reaction speed isn't affected by equal speed, since it's higher than Yu's baseline value. It technically doesn't have a calculation it's MHS+ but you didn't hear that from me but it's high enough that unless Seungha has some crazy skill, he's getting danced around the whole fight.

Ah I understand and his skill is eh. I mean generally speaking I don’t think he’s outskilling Yu anytime soon, his main attributes are focused on ANPR, IA and general cold reading I guess you could say. The most I could see Jo doing is having to evade and primarily excel in distance separation but he can’t do anything else. It’s either Yu stomps or it’s inconclusive. Speaking of stomp, doesn’t Yu have anything to make up for the difference between his AP and Jo’s durability or? Like durability negation ETC? I only gave his profile a brief read so forgive me

 

[azontr]

I mean, the difference is only 2x, Yu can really just wail on him with hyper precise blows until he goes down. Doesn't really need dura neg.

 

[Arceus0x]

I mean Jo could outlast here in theory as early Yu has pretty bad stamina. Jo could win if he survives long enough to actually tire Yu out.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I mean, the difference is only 2x, Yu can really just wail on him with hyper precise blows until he goes down. Doesn't really need dura neg.

Oh yeah my fault I keep forgetting that Jo and SG characters are at baseline value. Really needs to be fixed, it’s a shame no calculations have come through that are AP related. Would Jo’s ANPR help at all he has quite the absurd upscaling through some other ANPR users in Study Group. Just to give you a brief insight, he upscales from Gamin You who was analytically predicting a foe 150 times for 2.5 hours without failure until the 151st hit. This happened due to two forms of analytical prediction Gamin is proficient in which is prioritising the prior and prioritising the after. Prioritising the prior merely being observing an enemy and dishing out an attack the very minute they’re in perceived vulnerable. Prioritising the after which can be a combination of prioritising the prior which leads people to think that they’re going to be attacked and in the process influences a guard or defensive movement. Then there’s a secondary effect with more aggressive opponents where Gamin expects a precise counterattack the very second he’s feinting and decides to use his superior ANPR via spinning step. Gamin could also form countless battle simulations during 30 minutes while being in a “hyper focused” state. This is reinforced when we see Gamin’s gaze being diverted from even the smallest bit of action that isn’t noticeable by non skilled and a fairly decent skilled martial artist at the time.

Seungha Jo pretty much upscales all of this to an absurd extent granted these feats span from BOS (beginning of series) and the former was later into the series but the story does a good job showcasing the power creep. That aside, Seungha Jo has great ANPR which takes him as far as knowing what an opponent will do before all else. This occurs during his fight with Gamin where he had known Gamin would utilise his spinning step without any real given context or tells. He also decides to mimic his taekwondo pivot which can synonymously be deemed as out predicting or ANPR’ing Gamin’s ANPR. Gamin also makes this known when he mentions that Seungha Jo’s ANPR is nothing like Younghyun Ji’s. Younghyun Ji is a character from Study Group who has profound senses being described as beastly instincts and later to be, predatory nature.

Younghyun Ji’s ANPR is regarded as simultaneous or prioritising the right. His counterattacks are done in an instant and he ideally doesn’t fend off, granted that isn’t his fighting style. Narratively speaking, prioritising his ANPR is seen as < prioritising the right (beastly instincts) < prioritising the after (via spinning step) < prioritising the right (predatory instinct or nature) < Gamin’s ANPR via corkscrew kick <<< Seungha’s. The difference between their ANPR is that Seungha’s is stated to be akin to a machine or mind reading. Seungha’s Mentalism also buffs his enhanced awareness, ANPR and IA (I forgot to add it into the profile). His Mentalism passively reveals his enemy’s blind spots and he likes to target them whilst being at high speeds and using a large amount of afterimages for misleading purposes. His Mentalism pursuit tracking is VERY versatile and can be used in conjunction to acrobatic movements and attacks which are all stated to be “one attack.”

I don’t know if this helps much but Seungha is pretty much always calculating and his innate Chi technique which likely comes from being a Genius is a result of that. Just to describe, his Chi technique is pretty much his very own fighting style or martial arts. A lot of his strategy revolves around his intelligence so it closely compliments each other.

 

[azontr]

The most impressive thing you noted there was the 2.5 hours thing, the rest of the explanation only really serves as fluff without any other supporting feats. I don't see how this matches up to Yu, who can predict your movements based on muscle movements, blood flow and nerve signals.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I mean Jo could outlast here in theory as early Yu has pretty bad stamina. Jo could win if he survives long enough to actually tire Yu out.

Yeah that’s true. Seungha should actually have really good stamina. He was shown to be in perfect shape despite having to go against his entire PE class which consists of 19-20 students. We even see him doing activities which would often be seen as physically taxing such dodging while also dishing out multiple strikes. It should also be fair for him to upscale Gamin who was able to battle Younghyun Ji for over 2.5 hours while being in a “half asleep” state or being sleep deprived

 

[Foriaa]

Yu thrashes

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

The most impressive thing you noted there was the 2.5 hours thing, the rest of the explanation only really serves as fluff without any other supporting feats. I don't see how this matches up to Yu, who can predict your movements based on muscle movements, blood flow and nerve signals.

Some of the feats should be linked on the profile but some wouldn’t since I mentioned how I didn’t really want to flood the profile with excessive stuff. I really do think the upscaling mentioned on his combat intelligence should be moved elsewhere. While it obviously does serve as necessary it’ll be more appropriate on another page. As for the 150 attacks which I feel is very important here it’s not necessarily fluff. Younghyun Ji had given the statement himself and were shown many instances of Gamin dodging Younghyun flawlessly via his spinning step which originates from Taekwondo. It’s even broken down into what types of ANPR and how much Gamin had to evolve his ANPR to ensure a win. Gamin does eventually get tagged but he’s hit on the 151st attack which happened from YHJ studying his movement patterns. It is only after that, where Gamin dismisses ANPR concepts revolved around Kendo/Kumdo to land a hit. It was pretty much acknowledging YHJ would adapt to his spinning step eventually and using that to his advantage by crafting something new. It makes sense given he’s innately skilled and as a result knows the ins and outs of his opponent to an extent with his aforementioned simulations. On the topic of statements it is hinted it might be some superpower but I’m not sure since the translation is varies and is weird. It’s either some limited mind manipulation ( I doubt it) or it’s just advanced calculating.

Seungha’s observation with Mentalism is also fairly consistent. It’s depicted as seeing his opponent’s movements and blind spots passively AFAIK. His Mentalistic strategies are also backed up on several occasions. He’s seen being aware of attacks before they’ve even taken form which even encompasses feints and unorthodox methods he’s not familiar with. He doesn’t have any actual prior knowledge or any familiarity with his opponents on most occasions. But yeah it also confirms this when he’s telling his opponents what they’ll do and when they notice it’s ineffective they try to add in feints but he’s aware of that too. This isn’t a result of telegraphing nor is it really hyperbolic or statement achieved.

 

[azontr]

Okay, and I get all of that. You've explained it all very clearly. I just don't understand why it's supposed to be impressive. You haven't really given me particular feats, just a lot of scaling and in-verse explanations that don't really give me an idea of how potent the prediction is.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Okay, and I get all of that. You've explained it all very clearly. I just don't understand why it's supposed to be impressive. You haven't really given me particular feats, just a lot of scaling and in-verse explanations that don't really give me an idea of how potent the prediction is.

Just so we’re on the right page and I avoid anymore misunderstandings could you elaborate clearly on what you would like to see? I do understand what you mean but just to reconfirm. I also buy what other person said. Jo’s only means of winning is gassing him out and taking advantage of it. He doesn’t win in any other way.

 

[azontr]

I want to see prediction feats. Idc about the explanations behind the prediction like prioritizing the whatever, because that's irrelevant to the prediction itself. I want to see what they can do with their prediction, and unless the further explanations give some kind of substance to that, then they're irrelevant.