Knowing Jericho, he'll probably crack some jokes about Holo and her wolf-like traits lmaoI can imagine Jericho putting her in Walls of Jericho
For the WWE verse, it's basically a play. The material used for say a wall or a table is meant to be not that strong so the wrestlers can be as safe as possible, as that's the whole goal of the company. However, in canon, it's meant to be legit and taken as something no regular human can take. Let's just get that out of the way. So the feats used for the WWE verse are valid. So Chris has the very negligible AP advantage.
In terms of LS, the advantage doesn't necessarily matter. Jericho has grappled/submit/restrain people who have far higher LS than him (Great Khali, The Undertaker, John Cena, etc.). To elaborate, Big Show was able to tip over a 4400-pound Jeep (2.2 tons). This is the bare minimum btw. To go higher, Braun Strowman was able to tip over a limousine, which weighs 15,000-20,000 pounds. If you want me to be nice to Holo here, a limo can weigh up to 3 tons, which is more than what Holo weighs. Strowman also tipped over an ambulance, which weighs anywhere from 9,000 to 14,000 pounds. Strowman also tipped over a semi-trailer, and since this one didn't have a trailer, it would weigh anywhere from 10,000 to 25,000 pounds. Big Show and Braun Strowman both had several back and forths overpowering each other, which makes Big Show comparable to Strowman in terms of LS. Big Show also stated that Cena has higher LS than both Lesnar and Goldberg, both who are comparable to Strowman and Show in terms of LS, so Cena's easily on that level. Jericho is able to grapple, submit, or even restrain Cena, who's this strong. Great Khali is also comparable to this as well, who's had clashes with the Big Show. Jericho is able to grapple, submit, or restrain wrestlers who can lift far above Holo's weight.
Already explained this above. Jericho can restrain people who can lift far above Holo's weight, despite him being far less stronger than them in terms of LS. What's to say he can't do it to Holo? Also, in order to transform, Holo has to eat a pouch of wheat or somebody's blood. The latter is out of the question, but I'm not sure if Jericho would even let Holo eat the wheat due to the massive skill gap between the 2. Holo is getting her ass whooped in H2H combat. How can Holo eat her wheat when she's constantly getting overwhelmed in the fight? Plus, the moment Jericho locks in a submission hold is when the match is basically over. Holo wouldn't be focusing on eating the wheat, as she's getting put in a hold by Jericho. It'd be too overwhelming for her. Plus, Jericho isn't an idiot, and would realize that fighting on the ground would be a bad idea, so he would get on top Holo to get the advantage there. Plus, he wouldn't go for submission moves. He would go for strikes that will definitely not be good for Holo at all.
1. Chris can easily dodge.
Those are perfectly valid real-life tables, though. It's just that real-life tables come in different thicknesses and wood types. Some or sturdier some less. Those are just on the low-end of table sturdiness. Did they at any point in the play specify that they pretend those tables to very sturdy? Because otherwise, they could just be low-end sturdy tables in the play too.
Problem is that, if his lifting strength rating is accurate, the only way he can restrain people two lifting strength ratings higher than him would be stuff like holds and locks that work with leverage and stuff. Problem is, none of that can be applied against Holo, since her size and anatomy don't allow him to use any kind of leverage or lock against her.
To clarify one thing right away: Holo's profile has no key for her human form. It is for her wolf form alone (as the note at the bottom specifies). Given that, and the fact that by SBA characters start out in strongest form, Holo would start this fight already in wolf form. Otherwise, she would also not be 9-B...
Sure, but then he still isn't in range and Holo can just attack again. It should be clear who has the advantage between the person that can constantly attack and the person that can just dodge. He can't be dodging forever.
Yeah, no. He is still a human-sized target. Not to mention that Holo has enhanced senses. She also has dealt with humans plenty of times and has demonstrated the coordination skills to catch a knife thrown at her between her teeth. His size really doesn't benefit him with dodging.
Holo is also smart and that right time might never come. She could at any point simply jump away from him if she thinks it gets hard. And fighting a wolf is hard, which is why humans don't hand-to-hand fight wolves. A large one at that. If he manages to slip past her paws somehow the maw will be before him. If he gets past the maw as well, she can squish him below her body as he would then be below her. Any play in her front is dangerous for him and she won't let him circle to her back.
I'm still not seeing how the hell he would restrain a being too large to wrap his arms around...
This doesn't help at all.
1. Jericho is far, far more skilled than thugs.
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I mean, they never mentioned that the tables are very sturdy, nor did they mention that the tables are low-end sturdy. But WWE's whole entire job is to make these wrestlers look like monsters compared to the average human, so saying that the tables are very sturdy isn't a bad assumption at all.
Jericho can simply grab Holo's leg and restrain her just like that. If that can't work, then just climb on top of her, and he'll have the advantage right there and then.
Oh, okay. I'd thought that she'd have to eat the wheat first.
Jericho is perfectly capable of using strikes. Of course, he's not as good in striking as wrestling, but he can still do it efficiently. Jericho (and most wrestlers in the verse in general) are really good at thinking quick when they are at a clear disadvantage. That's how most wrestling matches go: Wrestler A has one distinct advantage over Wrestler B, but Wrestler B is able to quickly think of a way to counter it, and vice versa. Jericho can easily dodge the strikes.
Exactly. Jericho is really good at thinking quickly when he's at a disadvantage. He'd struggle at first, but he'll adapt to it sooner or later.
A knife thrown at her teeth wouldn't have done shit in the first place. Enhanced Senses would only work if Jericho is hiding or something like that. ES serves no purpose when your opponent is right in front of your face. Jericho being smaller would make him have swifter movements than Holo. Jericho can use the environment around him to his advantage to avoid these, as that's also one of the things he's really good at. From 3:19 to 6:02, we can clearly see Jericho targeting the legs of a wrestler who's far bigger than, and has far higher LS. Constantly targeting the leg of that wrestler caused him to win the match. Of course, that's a wrestler, and Holo's a big ass wolf, but you get my point. Jericho can target the legs of Holo, and since she's a far bigger target, she will have a much harder time moving around the environment that they are placed in currently. As long as Jericho can play it smart and pick his spots correctly, he'll definitely have the upper hand and will end up winning the match.
Refer to my point above. Jericho can pick his spots perfectly in this match and will end up with the win here. That's exactly what he did with someone who's far and bigger and stronger than him. Jericho would have to attack from behind of course, since attacking up front isn't a good idea, but he's more than smart enough to realize that. Like I said already, Jericho is very, very good at using his disadvantages to get an advantage in the fight. Going from behind and either attacking, or climbing up Holo would be perfect for Jericho to do. Just grabbing onto any of Holo's hind legs and holding onto it would be enough, as Holo would have to find a way to shake him off without any trouble, and that's going to be extremely hard, since Jericho is all the way behind her. Plus, targeting the animals legs is a perfect way of restraining, incapacitating, or even fatally injuring them, though it takes a lot more technique, which Jericho is the embodiment of. Jericho targeting the chest/stomach will result in this match being over for him, so going for the legs is best for him. If just one leg on Holo's gone, so is she.
Target the legs.
Being coolheaded, clever, and being able to fool others isn't going to trump Social Influencing. How is being coolheaded going to stop someone's Social Influencing that's so good that they can manipulate/trick thousands of people without saying a word? Holo is not getting past this.
If this was AEW Chris Jericho he would've had even better Social influencing cause he made the entire arena sing his theme song which has like 10,000 people, Also should be noted he defeated Kurt Angle who is a real life Olympic gold medalist Wrestler which is a skill feat.
To someone whose face is like 30cm off the ground. Holo's head is 2m high in the air. Show me the video where he jumps 2m high to kick someone into the face.
I mean, at that point you're assuming the feat should have this high of a result, because you believe they should be that strong. It could have less of a result and they could still be strong to a lesser degree.
He would easily get shaken off or, worse yet, Holo could use his position to bite him. Heck, even if he could hold on, he wouldn't gain anything. Holo has four legs. No matter what you do to one, it won't imbalance or stop her.
Holo shakes herself once and he is off again. Or she rolls unto her back, squishing him while he's one there.
No, no that doesn't work. It's like trying to restrain a pillar. If you want to restraint someone with superior LS you need to employ special techniques, which simply don't work if your opponent is so big that you don't have access to any of their joints.
Sure, but my point just was that he has no noticeable still advantage when using them. Aside from stats he isn't much better at boxing than a regular human, or does he have feats in that regard?
Adapt how? Not sure which move there is to counter "swipe with giant paw from beyond my reach". And Holo likewise will learn during battle.
Doesn't change the fact that she has the necessary coordination to deal with such a small target i.e. it proves that she has no trouble fighting something of smaller size than herself.
The only reason I brought up enhanced senses is because that's like the only advantage I could imagine him to have from his size. He isn't swifter than Holo. Because Holo is on one head plenty swift and on the other this is speed equal.
It's an open air arena, how is a wolf of human intelligence having any disadvantages here? Her claws can shred any obstacles anyway.
How would he get behind the wolf with enhanced senses? There is no way he ever gets into that position. He can't sneak up and he can't circle around Holo faster than she can turn.
...alright, first, social influencing doesn't scale in potency by how many people it works on. Second, you're talking about influencing random audience. Holo's feat of intimidating thugs into freezing up and/or fleeing is more impressive as those at least are fighters.
Well, when this tourney is done, I'm making a 9-B Martial Arts Tournament, so hopefully I can be more successful there.
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