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That really isn't sealing of the same type, you can't move or even think under the effects of Giratinas sealingI don't think sealing would work since Lavos can freely enter and leave a place like the Dimensional Vortex, which prevents all exit and entry.
Does preventing someone from thinking even work on something that doesn't have a mind. Plus as far as I can see, Giratina has to throw Lavos into the distortion world and he resists being BFR'd.That really isn't sealing of the same type, you can't move or even think under the effects of Giratinas sealing
Nah he has no Reason to require it in his true formDoes preventing someone from thinking even work on something that doesn't have a mind. Plus as far as I can see, Giratina has to throw Lavos into the distortion world and he resists being BFR'd.
It says he is unaffected after being sent to hell, which isn’t resistence, the video seems Like it could be resistence Though.What's weird about it.
Does the creation trio even dream?So the argument seems to be sealing, but I don't necessarily think that works due to the fact that apparently you need feats affecting a nonexistent mind to affect it? So blocking off thought doesn't work or something.
Even then, I'm not certain if it'd even work due to Lavos' resistance to BFR since it seems to rely on throwing someone into the Distortion World. Lavos' first move is generally to devour dreams which would definitely put down Giratina.
DBT shouldn't be an issue for giratinaTo add to what ed said above, firstly to even assume the sealing works is a bit of a bruh moment since it is sending someone somewhere, BFR, even if Lavos didn't resist for some reason it doesn't have to range to actually send Lavos out of the DBT, and nothing is stopping it from just, leaving, or sitting and snipping, if it does work, there because it still has the range to snipe Giritina who would still be inside the DBT.
In Chrono verse, dreams are, so to speak, conceptual abstractions, and as far as I recall, Darkrai did not attempt to use his Dream hax on Palkia and dialga?Does the creation trio even dream?
Darkrai has a passive nightmare hax that activates the moment it makes someone go to sleep(Bad dreams)In Chrono verse, dreams are, so to speak, conceptual abstractions, and as far as I recall, Darkrai did not attempt to use his Dream hax on Palkia and dialga.
Dreams aren't the usual, fall asleep and dream shit, its a type 1 concept that makes up all things and is their origin, Lavos eating them is going to be an instant lossDoes the creation trio even dream?
The DBT is a place that is 2 entire layers above baseline 2-A range, DBT>Zuravan>Normal 2-A multiverse, he does not have the range. There is a good reason for why the OP started this in the DBT, and it isn't just due to the type 9DBT shouldn't be an issue for giratina
The DBT is not accepted as beyond baseline range and going with that logic Giratinas range is millions of layers Above baselineDreams aren't the usual, fall asleep and dream shit, its a type 1 concept that makes up all things and is their origin, Lavos eating them is going to be an instant loss
The DBT is a place that is 2 entire layers above baseline 2-A range, DBT>Zuravan>Normal 2-A multiverse, he does not have the range. There is a good reason for why the OP started this in the DBT, and it isn't just due to the type 9
not how the sealing works at all. The sealing traps the target so they cannot move or think or use their abilties.To add to what ed said above, firstly to even assume the sealing works is a bit of a bruh moment since it is sending someone somewhere, BFR, even if Lavos didn't resist for some reason it doesn't have to range to actually send Lavos out of the DBT, and nothing is stopping it from just, leaving, or sitting and snipping, if it does work, there because it still has the range to snipe Giritina who would still be inside the DBT.
I'm gonna let ed explain this but this is just wrong.The DBT is not accepted as beyond baseline range and going with that logic Giratinas range is millions of layers Above baseline
DND is literally the only verse with accepted beyond baseline range
Affect what mind to stop them from thinking, Lavos has a nonexistent mind and the only thing in Pokemon that has a nonexistent mind is Arceus itself, who Giratina isn't even close to affecting, that realm does nothing and at worse Lavos just ees itself to come back to the DBT and vores Giratina.not how the sealing works at all. The sealing traps the target so they cannot move or think or use their abilties.
It is most definitely not wrong.I'm gonna let ed explain this but this is just wrong.
Giratina effects beings which predate the fundamental spirit which is mind and soul (literally every CT member)Affect what mind to stop them from thinking, Lavos has a nonexistent mind and the only thing in Pokemon that has a nonexistent mind is Arceus itself, who Giratina isn't even close to affecting, that realm does nothing and at worse Lavos just ees itself to come back to the DBT and vores Giratina.
We accept it verses being >>> baseline 2-A range if the realm is considered more difficult to reach than a normal multiverse. For example, the Darkness Beyond Time is an example as it exists beyond the multiverse as a whole and it isn't possible to reach normally without a special macguffin that lets you do so. You can't reach the DBT otherwise.The DBT is not accepted as beyond baseline range and going with that logic Giratinas range is millions of layers Above baseline
Predation of and lack of an essence are two different entirely things, but also you need to prove that they affected that aspect, just saying they can interact with them physically isn't proof for being able to affect those aspects, you would have to show a power of the aspect that they lack working on them before saying that they can actually interact with said nonexistent aspectGiratina effects beings which predate the fundamental spirit which is mind and soul (literally every CT member)
Then Pokemon also applies, except it would have millions of layers as the Extralink is needed for travel between Save Files, while normal tech can travel across Infinite universes as well as there being many locations which connect to infinite universes. and no that isn't enough proof on its ownWe accept it verses being >>> baseline 2-A range if the realm is considered more difficult to reach than a normal multiverse. For example, the Darkness Beyond Time is an example as it exists beyond the multiverse as a whole and it isn't possible to reach normally without a special macguffin that lets you do so. You can't reach the DBT otherwise.
Giratinas sealing stops them from using their powers, thinking and movingPredation of and lack of an essence are two different entirely things, but also you need to prove that they affected that aspect, just saying they can interact with them physically isn't proof for being able to affect those aspects, you would have to show a power of the aspect that they lack working on them before saying that they can actually interact with said nonexistent aspect
Schala has a mind and her mind 'fused' with Lavos's. For her mind to fuse with his, he'd need to have a mind. So he's not mindless. Even his profile mentions this and him having emotions and such from Schala, not seeing why you think he's mindless.Does preventing someone from thinking even work on something that doesn't have a mind. Plus as far as I can see, Giratina has to throw Lavos into the distortion world and he resists being BFR'd.
Then Pokemon also applies, except it would have millions of layers as the Extralink is needed for travel between Save Files, while normal tech can travel across Infinite universes as well as there being many locations which connect to infinite universes
No there is zero differenceThere's a difference between multiple infinite multiverses and a realm that is beyond the space and time of the multiverse altogether.
again Lavos nonexistence makes it so that having a mind or spirit is irrelevant for him to use his powersGiratinas sealing stops them from using their powers, thinking and moving
They lack the spirit which is mind
Its not complicated
prove there is zero differenceNo there is zero difference
Same as avatar without a direct showing.What does the true form lead with?
Because we never seen it in combat so shouldn't it be SBA rules to assume what it leads with?
Arceus avatar in the anime leads with elemental spamsSame as avatar without a direct showing.
The fact it attacks only through the avatar doesn't help either.
Giratina is not Arceus though.Arceus avatar in the anime leads with elemental spams
True form lead with sealing via sealing giratina
The avatar and the true forms have different fighting styles
True forms and avatar forms acts differentlyGiratina is not Arceus though.
Giratina literally has it's own conceptual sealing and I thought we have always established that giratina leads with sealingProve me what True Form Giratina starts with then.
Otherwise we go from simplest assumption where it behaves like Avatar.
Not that it matter as Lavos' starting move instantly nulls anything Giratina can do.
Literally worked only with avatars + you can't prove is instantaneous.Giratina literally has it's own conceptual sealing
"We" who? Giratina always uses energy blasts in almost every media it is in.I thought we have always established that giratina leads with sealing
The avatar sealed the avatars in the distortion worldLiterally worked only with avatars + you can't prove is instantaneous.
"We" who? Giratina always uses energy blasts in almost every media it is in.
NLFWhy wouldn't the true form be able to seal the true forms of dialga and palkia if it's avatars can do that
Then that's wrongAnd every other giratina thread about final fantasy we had giratina leading with sealing
Irrelevant against Lavos anyways.Hell giratina sealed dialga and palkia when it was bloodlust
Explain how that's NLFNLF
Then that's wrong
Irrelevant against Lavos anyways.