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"Strongest Man in the World" Edward Newgate VS "Self-Proclaimed Kozuki Oden" Yamato
- Starting Distance: 10m
- Both in-character
- Old Whitebeard
Whitebeard: 1 (@That_moron)
Yamato: 1 (@Suigetsuhyugs)
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Counted.Vote for Yamato without the proper haki whitebeard is no match for Yamato's advanced conqueror haki, if his haki is so bad that he cant even properly dodge that sword attack at the beginning of marineford he wont dodge an attack from yamato that can still hit Kaidou who has future vision
Kaidou never used future sight against Yamato. He's also a massive target who doesn't dodge in character. And Whitebeard's guard was down, and Squard was someone he loved like a son. Also Whitebeard has a better scaling chain regardless of Acoc.Vote for Yamato without the proper haki whitebeard is no match for Yamato's advanced conqueror haki, if his haki is so bad that he cant even properly dodge that sword attack at the beginning of marineford he wont dodge an attack from yamato that can still hit Kaidou who has future vision
Counted.Voting for The One Who Can't Get Much Higher BTW
Thats headcannon there is no effect for us to know if he was using and we only know he can use it because Kaidou said he also has future sight against Luffy. He does when the attacks are strong enough to harm him we saw that he dodged Zoro. Dude base observation haki is triggered by intent and it was stated that he could have dodged it if his haki was working.Kaidou never used future sight against Yamato. He's also a massive target who doesn't dodge in character. And Whitebeard's guard was down, and Squard was someone he loved like a son. Also Whitebeard has a better scaling chain regardless of Acoc.
Whitebeard A.P~Akainu Serious Attacks>Akainu Casual Attacks>>>Ace's Durability~Yamato A.P
Is this oldbeard or primebeard ?
Its the old sick whitebeard last key
- Marineford Whitebeard
Marineford.Is this oldbeard or primebeard ?
Whitebeard >= Akainu >= Ace > Ace from a long time ago = Yamato a long time agoWhitebeard A.P~Akainu Serious Attacks>Akainu Casual Attacks>>>Ace's Durability~Yamato A.P
i would put ace at the bottom, akainu no diffed himWhitebeard >= Akainu >= Ace > Ace from a long time ago = Yamato a long time ago
In reality, the fact that Yamato could hold his own against Hybrid Kaidou makes him > Zoan Kaidou from a long time ago = Oden = No buso Primebeard.
Tbf he couldn't do much in MF because it would kill his children, especially Ace.Just use Oldbeard for gods' sake, at least he can, ya know, DODGE. Sickbeard is a static fighter
They were pretty even, Akainu just has fire negationi would put ace at the bottom, akainu no diffed him
No, MF Whitebeard has a bundle of reasons he's out the door here already, chief among those being him occasionally dropping to his knees cause of heart issues and his static fighter-ness, which basically means Yamato just wails on him till he's deadTbf he couldn't do much in MF because it would kill his children, especially Ace.
he can still kinda move, he wasnt static until the middle of the war iircNo, MF Whitebeard has a bundle of reasons he's out the door here already, chief among those being him occasionally dropping to his knees cause of heart issues and his static fighter-ness, which basically means Yamato just wails on him till he's dead
I mean, yeah, he can still move and fight and shit, he just doesn't dodge, a concept Oldbeard can take advantage ofhe can still kinda move, he wasnt static until the middle of the war iirc
OK then.I mean, yeah, he can still move and fight and shit, he just doesn't dodge, a concept Oldbeard can take advantage of
You're the one who needs to prove he did. It was specifically pointed out when he used AcoO against LuffyThats headcannon there is no effect for us to know if he was using and we only know he can use it because Kaidou said he also has future sight against Luffy.
That's basic observation.He does when the attacks are strong enough to harm him we saw that he dodged Zoro.
Advanced isn't though. Go back and read Luffy vs Katakuri. Luffy hit Katakuri when he didn't have it active(snack time).Dude base observation haki is triggered by intent and it was stated that he could have dodged it if his haki was working.
I can't even tell what you're saying here.Dont try that Ace is already scaling with a stronger whitebeard that that of marineford
Headcannon.and ace and Yamato's fight happened long ago i dont think she even had advanced conqueror yet.
Yamato was getting dominated by Kaidou in there fight she barely scales.Also Yamato is scaling of Kaidou that should be much stronger than old sick whitebeard.
This man kept going with a hole in his chest, and half his head missing. Yamato can't do that kind of damage to put him down.chief among those being him occasionally dropping to his knees cause of heart issues and his static fighter-ness, which basically means Yamato just wails on him till he's dead
Uh, dude? Whitebeard succumbed to those injuries.This man kept going with a hole in his chest, and half his head missing. Yamato can't do that kind of damage to put him down.
You're the one that needs to prove he did. It was specifically pointed out when he used Hao Infusion against Kaidou.Headcannon.
Yamato slammed Hybrid Kaidou into the ground, and his ice clone did damage, albeit not too much.Yamato was getting dominated by Kaidou in there fight she barely scales.
Yamato isn't dodging any of his Gura Gura AoE either.I should reiterate: the only time Marineford Whitebeard dodges anything is when *******' aim is just that bad lol
He literally died.This man kept going with a hole in his chest, and half his head missing.
Hao Infusion Hybrid Yamato > Hybrid Yamato > Zoan Yamato > Base Kaidou >= Marco = Admirals.Yamato can't do that kind of damage to put him down.
Your right, she isn't.Yamato isn't dodging any of his Gura Gura AoE either.
After getting shot and stabbed by the Blackbeard pirates.Uh, dude? Whitebeard succumbed to those injuries.
Yamato was knocked back into base after that, they didn't tank it.Plus tanking 5 hits from Hybrid Kaido is a ****** feat that Marineford Whitebeard can't really match, Oldbeard is the one in that area lol
Almost none of whom are anywhere near comparable to him. BB is the only one who was even in the higher tiers of AP at the time, except maybe Shiryu.After getting shot and stabbed by the Blackbeard pirates.
Which is objectively far less injury then what Akainu didAfter getting shot and stabbed by the Blackbeard pirates.
Yamato was knocked back into base after that, they didn't tank it.
Sure Yamato can survive attacks from the strongest paramecia wielded by a man who can overwhelm Blackbeard when he was at a weaker point than his starting point in this key. One punch from Blackbeard can nearly kill Ace, who can eat attacks from a slightly weakened Yamato, and Blackbeard can withstand attacks from Hybrid Sengoku who is ~ GarpHere's the thing: Yamato can survive that
No it wasn't. It wasn't treated like anything, indicating they have had it for some time.You're the one that needs to prove he did. It was specifically pointed out when he used Hao Infusion against Kaidou.
No. Zoan Yamato is never shown to be stronger than Base Kaidou. Yamato never fought Base Kaidou in her Hybrid form. And Kaidou is clearly superior in Hybrid Mode. The chain should look like this:Hao Infusion Hybrid Yamato > Hybrid Yamato > Zoan Yamato > Base Kaidou >= Marco = Admirals.
From a Yamato years in the past who could be anywhere from 8-A to High 6-C. Same with Ace.Sure Yamato can survive attacks from the strongest paramecia wielded by a man who can overwhelm Blackbeard when he was at a weaker point than his starting point in this key. One punch from Blackbeard can nearly kill Ace, who can eat attacks from a slightly weakened Yamato, and Blackbeard can withstand attacks from Hybrid Sengoku who is ~ Garp
Yes, unironicallySure Yamato can survive attacks from the strongest paramecia wielded by a man who can overwhelm Blackbeard when he was at a weaker point than his starting point in this key.
FalseOne punch from Blackbeard can nearly kill Ace
A long time agowho can eat attacks from a slightly weakened Yamato
Hybrid Sengoku > Garp, but that attack ragdolled the crew anyway.and Blackbeard can withstand attacks from Hybrid Sengoku who is ~ Garp
"Some Time" could be anything from a month to a decade.No it wasn't. It wasn't treated like anything, indicating they have had it for some time.
This is such a massive cope. Hybrid Yamato was able to land serious hits on Kaidou, whether you like it or not.No. Zoan Yamato is never shown to be stronger than Base Kaidou. Yamato never fought Base Kaidou in her Hybrid form. And Kaidou is clearly superior in Hybrid Mode. The chain should look like this:
Hao Infusion Hybrid Yamato > Hybrid Yamato ~ Base Kaidou >= Marco ~ Admirals
Sickbeard >= Near-dead Sickbeard > Blackbeard < Hybrid Sengoku > Base Sengoku = Garp >= Marco.Whitebeard has this:
Whitebeard > Nearly Dead Whitebeard > Blackbeard Dura ~ Hybrid Sengoku > Base Sengoku ~ Garp > Marco
He uses all the time the author doesnt need to show it at all times.You're the one who needs to prove he did. It was specifically pointed out when he used AcoO against Luffy
It is, so? He dodged it.That's basic observation.
No, but Kaidou uses it during his fights.Advanced isn't though. Go back and read Luffy vs Katakuri. Luffy hit Katakuri when he didn't have it active(snack time).
Quoting vsb wikiI can't even tell what you're saying here.
Ace already scales from old whitebeard who is stronger than marineford whitebeard since he could actually use haki.Multi-Continent level (Stated to have one of the most powerful Devil Fruits. Burned the hand of a casual Old Whitebeard and made him guard with his Devil Fruit in their last two duels.
Whats headcannon? That they fought a long time ago? Luffy had yet to leave Foosha since then until wana its years. That she didnt used conqueror haki? The author showed the fight funny how i need to prove kaidou used future vision but you dont need to prove Yamato did or not use advanced conqueror haki.Headcannon.
Quoting vsb wiki.Yamato was getting dominated by Kaidou in there fight she barely scales.
Multi-Continent level (Should be comparable to or stronger than Base Kaidou due to their Zoan Forms matching each other, with Kaidou having had his Devil Fruit for longer than Yamato, meaning his Zoan Forms should provide a superior amplification of power than Yamato's Devil Fruit. Although inferior, they blocked an attack from Hybrid Form Kaidou[22]. While they had Seastone Handcuffs on, they one-shot Full Zoan Form Ulti with Raimei Hakke[5] and fought on par with Gear 2nd+3rd Luffy[3]), higher in Zoan Forms (Fought and parried blows from Hybrid Form Kaidou[1]. Their Namuji Hyoga matched Hybrid Form Kaidou's Bolo Breath[6]. Knocked a Hybrid Form Kaidou who was defending himself to the ground with Himorogiri[7]), even higher with Haoshoku Infusion (In their Hybrid Form, they matched Hybrid Form Kaidou's Raimei Hakke with one of their own and managed to draw a small amount of blood from him[7][23]. In their Base Form, they knocked Base Kaidou back alongside a Gear 4th: Snakeman Luffy that was using Haoshoku Infusion[7])
No he doesn't. If he was explain how Yamato was hitting someone who can dodge Snakeman LuffyHe uses all the time the author doesnt need to show it at all times.
He activated it consciously against Luffy.No, but Kaidou uses it during his fights.
I already proved it. See above.Whats headcannon? That they fought a long time ago? Luffy had yet to leave Foosha since then until wana its years. That she didnt used conqueror haki? The author showed the fight funny how i need to prove kaidou used future vision but you dont need to prove Yamato did or not use advanced conqueror haki.
What you talking about she is inferior to kaidou but she is strong enought to keep a fight.The profile literally says she's inferior.
Yamato is fast, and she is scaling to FTL because of kaidou, heck the same attack that completely destroyed Kaidou Yamato managed to hold it.No he doesn't. If he was explain how Yamato was hitting someone who can dodge Snakeman Luffy
He activates whenever he needs lol, katakuri literally used for almost any reason whatsoever.He activated it consciously against Luffy.
No, you proved nothing. Your argument is ridiculous, its been years since Yamato fought Ace she could have learned it one day after Ace left Wano or have at least 2 years to learn what luffy learned in seconds.I already proved it. See above.
No.Yes, unironically
True. He nearly broke the bones in Ace's neck. Ace said so himself.False
This was also Ace from a long time ago. Ace has since trained with Whitebeard, and co. And is noted for his exceptional potential. I don't see any reason why Yamato would grow so much faster than him.A long time ago
All of them were conscious afterwards.Hybrid Sengoku > Garp, but that attack ragdolled the crew anyway.
Fair."Some Time" could be anything from a month to a decade.
She never even made him scream in pain. He coughed up blood right at the end but that was alongside Gear 4th Luffy.This is such a massive cope. Hybrid Yamato was able to land serious hits on Kaidou, whether you like it or not.
Blackbeard withstood that attack whilst already hurt, and got up afterwards.Sickbeard >= Near-dead Sickbeard > Blackbeard < Hybrid Sengoku > Base Sengoku = Garp >= Marco.
Keep a fight yes. But still lost and fairly badly.What you talking about she is inferior to kaidou but she is strong enought to keep a fight.
Whitebeard is also FTL. What attack that destroyed Kaidou are you talking about?Yamato is fast, and she is scaling to FTL because of kaidou, heck the same attack that completely destroyed Kaidou Yamato managed to hold it.
And he never needed it against Yamato.He activates whenever he needs lol, katakuri literally used for almost any reason whatsoever.
Fair, but Whitebeard still outscales.No, you proved nothing. Your argument is ridiculous, its been years since Yamato fought Ace she could have learned it one day after Ace left Wano or have at least 2 years to learn what luffy learned in seconds.
So? Luffy after getting advanced conqueror haki also lost badly to kaidou 2 times still scales to him.Keep a fight yes. But still lost and fairly badly.
Thats not the point. matters that Yamato has the same tier in speed as snakeman luffy. i meant Luffy.Whitebeard is also FTL. What attack that destroyed Kaidou are you talking about?
He never stated he didnt used it.And he never needed it against Yamato.
Prime whitebeard outscales old sick whitebeard no, its pretty unfair to compare pre time skip with post time skip and even more post wano no one in marineford actually shown future vision or advanced conqueror haki because Oda didnt invented it yet even the advanced armament used to stop whitebeard attack is pretty weird.Fair, but Whitebeard still outscales.