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Okay, first off the pretty black hole feat by Goku was here because the staff didn't feel it behaved like a regular black hole. I'll show why it's valid boy addressing all the counter points and adding a few of my own. I'll be as brief and concise as possible. Here is the official Black Hole article for the site and this is the full video of the black hole which I'll break down
1) THE MODE OF FORMATION
THe black hole was formed in an explicit statement by Whis. This is pretty much how a black hole is formed, with the only difference being that instead of normal physical matter, they physically materialized their love into a point in space to create a mass of gravity, this is nearly word for word with a black hole. According to the black hole guidelines shared above, a black hole created by energy or Mon matter forms is accepted as long as there are supporting materials to show it's a black hole, which are provided below
2) ITS ABILITY TO SUCK OBJECTS IN A RADIUS AROUND IT
The Black Hole from the moment it was formed CLEARLY showed the property of sucking in debris as well as mftl+ energy blasts none of which were on its "surface" when it sucked them in, Incase anyone else needs clarification, the blast from 18 wasn't aimed at the black hole, it was aimed at the fighters, the black hole drew it into itself. It's also clear that the fighters who formed it have control on what it pulls and what it doesn't as they were clearly in the range of its pull when it pulled 18's ki blast but weren't affected, this should be obvious seeing as they can manipulate it but still, crossing all Ts. Also, it got BIGGER once it ate 18s ki blast
3) ITS GRAVITATIONAL PULL ON LIGHT
This is one of the strongest properties that show it behaves like a black hole as LIGHT can't escape it, only one thing has gravity this strong.
4) LIGHT BEING "EMITTED" AND AROUND THE BLACK HOLE
For those who may not be too familiar with the processes of black holes, this may look like a red flag, but actually, it's very scientifically accurate to have light emitted around a black hole (ironic, yes I know). Before I explain it, I simply have to clarify one thing, the light did NOT come from INSIDE the black hole, as anyone can clearly see, there is no light source inside, and it was stated that light couldn't get out, the only light sources inside were SSJB Goku's Aura and Kamehameha and only the latter escaped after a STRUGGLE . Now for the second part, the light "around" the black hole, is quite common and EXPLAINED, in summary for those who don't want to read and entire scientific articles, black holes don't emit light from within, but the speed at which matter- mostly gaseous matter- moves around them causes the matter to heat up which produces lights accross various wavelengths including visible light around the black hole, this is called an ACCRETION DISK. Here's an EXAMPLE of a natural black hole with light around it So while this property may appear to discredit the feat, it's actually one the best points and a very surprisingly ACCURATE description
5) INSTANT TRANSMISSION
Now another (rather silly) point against this technique is that, Goku couldn't use instant transmission inside, meaning the black hole had power null.properties not inherent in natural black holes. First off, it didn't annul anything, Goku DID USE it, it simply didn't get him out, a Black Hole is literally a construct that utterly bends space time, if you need more info, you can see it here. It interfering with a teleportation technique is not far fetched. Secondly, even if it did have a power null ability, that would have zero impact on its gravitational properties, it would merely be a bonus
6) GOKU'S KAMEHAMEHA "INTERACTED" WITH THE BLACK HOLE
Goku's Kamehameha/KI has interacted with separate chronal dimensions as well as intangible things (Hit), abstracts (Zamasu), him interacting with the gravity field of the Black Hole, is just another Tuesday.
7) NARRATOR'S STATEMENT/AUTHOR'S INTENT
CLEAR AS DAY
Nothing much to say here. Simply that
2) It's gravity is strong enough to prevent light from escaping, again, only a black hole has this
3) It has a radius of effect on its gravitational pull as seen during and after 18 fires her ki blast
4) It has an accretion disk like regular black holes around it
5) The narrator calls it a black hole
Basically, all counter points against it have been appropriately addressed in those 7 points, any other discrepancy, if any, is simply based on aesthetics. The initial calc of the feat for Goku, stated at the top of this post - if this revision is accepted- should be brought back as a boon for a tired base Goku's lifting strength (it's his body weight), with appropriate multipliers based on his higher forms. Also those who scale to his LS gets this as well
EDIT
Whether or not this gets accepted as a black hole, another alternative route is being proposed. Treat it as an artificially created celestial body dense enough to have its own gravity. When it was initially created, it sucked things in, when they controlled it downwards, it acted like a black mass which is the main issue people are having against it. We should be allowed to calculate it's acceleration due to gravity, we have the radius and escape velocity via scaling to 18's basic attacks, we simply find its mass via the escape velocity formula and then find its 'g' through the gravitational formula
AGREE 3(1): @LephyrTheRevanchist , @LuffyRuffy46307, @Jaakor48
NEUTRAL1(1): @DarkDragonMedeus
DISAGREE 2(0): @Nullflowerblush, @Reiner
1) THE MODE OF FORMATION
THe black hole was formed in an explicit statement by Whis. This is pretty much how a black hole is formed, with the only difference being that instead of normal physical matter, they physically materialized their love into a point in space to create a mass of gravity, this is nearly word for word with a black hole. According to the black hole guidelines shared above, a black hole created by energy or Mon matter forms is accepted as long as there are supporting materials to show it's a black hole, which are provided below
2) ITS ABILITY TO SUCK OBJECTS IN A RADIUS AROUND IT
The Black Hole from the moment it was formed CLEARLY showed the property of sucking in debris as well as mftl+ energy blasts none of which were on its "surface" when it sucked them in, Incase anyone else needs clarification, the blast from 18 wasn't aimed at the black hole, it was aimed at the fighters, the black hole drew it into itself. It's also clear that the fighters who formed it have control on what it pulls and what it doesn't as they were clearly in the range of its pull when it pulled 18's ki blast but weren't affected, this should be obvious seeing as they can manipulate it but still, crossing all Ts. Also, it got BIGGER once it ate 18s ki blast
3) ITS GRAVITATIONAL PULL ON LIGHT
This is one of the strongest properties that show it behaves like a black hole as LIGHT can't escape it, only one thing has gravity this strong.
4) LIGHT BEING "EMITTED" AND AROUND THE BLACK HOLE
For those who may not be too familiar with the processes of black holes, this may look like a red flag, but actually, it's very scientifically accurate to have light emitted around a black hole (ironic, yes I know). Before I explain it, I simply have to clarify one thing, the light did NOT come from INSIDE the black hole, as anyone can clearly see, there is no light source inside, and it was stated that light couldn't get out, the only light sources inside were SSJB Goku's Aura and Kamehameha and only the latter escaped after a STRUGGLE . Now for the second part, the light "around" the black hole, is quite common and EXPLAINED, in summary for those who don't want to read and entire scientific articles, black holes don't emit light from within, but the speed at which matter- mostly gaseous matter- moves around them causes the matter to heat up which produces lights accross various wavelengths including visible light around the black hole, this is called an ACCRETION DISK. Here's an EXAMPLE of a natural black hole with light around it So while this property may appear to discredit the feat, it's actually one the best points and a very surprisingly ACCURATE description
5) INSTANT TRANSMISSION
Now another (rather silly) point against this technique is that, Goku couldn't use instant transmission inside, meaning the black hole had power null.properties not inherent in natural black holes. First off, it didn't annul anything, Goku DID USE it, it simply didn't get him out, a Black Hole is literally a construct that utterly bends space time, if you need more info, you can see it here. It interfering with a teleportation technique is not far fetched. Secondly, even if it did have a power null ability, that would have zero impact on its gravitational properties, it would merely be a bonus
6) GOKU'S KAMEHAMEHA "INTERACTED" WITH THE BLACK HOLE
Goku's Kamehameha/KI has interacted with separate chronal dimensions as well as intangible things (Hit), abstracts (Zamasu), him interacting with the gravity field of the Black Hole, is just another Tuesday.
7) NARRATOR'S STATEMENT/AUTHOR'S INTENT
CLEAR AS DAY
Nothing much to say here. Simply that
SUMMARY
1) It is made by mass/energy focused into a single point like a black hole2) It's gravity is strong enough to prevent light from escaping, again, only a black hole has this
3) It has a radius of effect on its gravitational pull as seen during and after 18 fires her ki blast
4) It has an accretion disk like regular black holes around it
5) The narrator calls it a black hole
Basically, all counter points against it have been appropriately addressed in those 7 points, any other discrepancy, if any, is simply based on aesthetics. The initial calc of the feat for Goku, stated at the top of this post - if this revision is accepted- should be brought back as a boon for a tired base Goku's lifting strength (it's his body weight), with appropriate multipliers based on his higher forms. Also those who scale to his LS gets this as well
EDIT
Whether or not this gets accepted as a black hole, another alternative route is being proposed. Treat it as an artificially created celestial body dense enough to have its own gravity. When it was initially created, it sucked things in, when they controlled it downwards, it acted like a black mass which is the main issue people are having against it. We should be allowed to calculate it's acceleration due to gravity, we have the radius and escape velocity via scaling to 18's basic attacks, we simply find its mass via the escape velocity formula and then find its 'g' through the gravitational formula
AGREE 3(1): @LephyrTheRevanchist , @LuffyRuffy46307, @Jaakor48
NEUTRAL1(1): @DarkDragonMedeus
DISAGREE 2(0): @Nullflowerblush, @Reiner
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