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As you know, super shenron is rated 2-C for being able to restore all the universes that zeno erased in the tournament of power. And after looking further into super shenron statements, I think he should scale much higher than that. First off, we know that in the manga and the anime that super shenron is stated to have no limit on his power. And since we know that super shenron is capable of being able to wish back multiple 4d constructs that were erased out of existence, this should logically give super shenron Infinite 4d wish potential. Shenron at the very least should be able to create/destroy the entire cosmology which is accepted as 2-B at the moment. And should logically be able to create an Infinite amount of parallel timelines/universal spacetime continuums. I'm proposing 2-B, Likely 2-A (Being stated to be able to grant any wish, super shenron should hypothetically be capable of creating/destroying the entire cosmology or being able to create/destroy an infinite amount of parallel timelines/Universal spacetime continuums). At worst, if you guys really don't agree with it, a Possibly rating would also suffice.
Onto Zeno, now zeno is a little tricky here, we know he has statements of being the the most powerful and unbeatable no matter what, and this is after super shenron has already been revealed to us, and since i want zeno to scale, we run into some problems, if zeno is stronger than super shenron, this would logically mean a wish from super shenron to kill zeno would NOT kill him, making us question this limitless power from super shenron. We have some options here, option 1: Zeno gets no rating and stays the same, we would have to keep zeno the same and just say super shenron is more powerful than zeno for this to work, or option 2: Zeno gets a resistance to reality manipulation, wished from an omnipotent dragon not being able to affect him. This could also be a very likely interpretation is that wished just don't affect zeno, but this could still present some problems, like what if somebody wanted to wish zeno's reality manip resistance off of him? Would that work? Well, im not sure, because technically SS should have reality manip resistance negation being limitless and all, so that brings us off to the next choice, Option 3: Zeno's power is inaccessible to anybody else in the verse, what am i suggesting? Low 1-C, now before you all erupt into a burst of flames and lose your minds, hear me out.
This tier would make sense for zeno considering even a dragon with infinite 4d wish potential is still seen as below the mightiest in the multiverse, this would mean that zeno is Infinitely more powerful than super shenron. It wont let me come off of bold SMH. Anyways, super shenron paling in comparison to zeno should imply some sort of dimensional Gap in zenos AP right or some type of infinite distance? Since from my understanding (correct me if im wrong) being infinitely more powerful than a multi+ being would be low 1-C right?
Note 1:
Due to the fact that the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable, it is impossible to quantify the numerical gap between each one of the subtiers in Tier 2. As such, it is not allowed to upgrade such a character based solely on multipliers. For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A. That is straight from the tiering system, and it does not say anything about 2-A and low 1-C differences, so forgive me if im not using these terms correctly. So my proposal would be Zeno, Low 1-C (being infinitely stronger than super shenron who logically can create/destroy an uncountably infinite amount of spacetime continuums/parallel timelines or universes) That is my proposal. But if you guys don't like that (which you probably won't) Then zeno would not scale from super shenron and would stay the same, i feel like zeno should still scale to the 2-B multiverse because we know he is powerful enough to reach into other timelines, stated to be able to destroy the world and all of existence if he wanted, so i can see a, zeno, possibly 2-B rating out of this, since he is aware of MW being the cosmology of dragon ball. Thank you for reading.
Agree: CryptoTheMayo (2-B), georredannea15
Neutral: Achintiya31, Omegabronic
Disagree: LyphyrTheRevanchist, StekFence
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Onto Zeno, now zeno is a little tricky here, we know he has statements of being the the most powerful and unbeatable no matter what, and this is after super shenron has already been revealed to us, and since i want zeno to scale, we run into some problems, if zeno is stronger than super shenron, this would logically mean a wish from super shenron to kill zeno would NOT kill him, making us question this limitless power from super shenron. We have some options here, option 1: Zeno gets no rating and stays the same, we would have to keep zeno the same and just say super shenron is more powerful than zeno for this to work, or option 2: Zeno gets a resistance to reality manipulation, wished from an omnipotent dragon not being able to affect him. This could also be a very likely interpretation is that wished just don't affect zeno, but this could still present some problems, like what if somebody wanted to wish zeno's reality manip resistance off of him? Would that work? Well, im not sure, because technically SS should have reality manip resistance negation being limitless and all, so that brings us off to the next choice, Option 3: Zeno's power is inaccessible to anybody else in the verse, what am i suggesting? Low 1-C, now before you all erupt into a burst of flames and lose your minds, hear me out.
This tier would make sense for zeno considering even a dragon with infinite 4d wish potential is still seen as below the mightiest in the multiverse, this would mean that zeno is Infinitely more powerful than super shenron. It wont let me come off of bold SMH. Anyways, super shenron paling in comparison to zeno should imply some sort of dimensional Gap in zenos AP right or some type of infinite distance? Since from my understanding (correct me if im wrong) being infinitely more powerful than a multi+ being would be low 1-C right?
Note 1:
Due to the fact that the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable, it is impossible to quantify the numerical gap between each one of the subtiers in Tier 2. As such, it is not allowed to upgrade such a character based solely on multipliers. For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A. That is straight from the tiering system, and it does not say anything about 2-A and low 1-C differences, so forgive me if im not using these terms correctly. So my proposal would be Zeno, Low 1-C (being infinitely stronger than super shenron who logically can create/destroy an uncountably infinite amount of spacetime continuums/parallel timelines or universes) That is my proposal. But if you guys don't like that (which you probably won't) Then zeno would not scale from super shenron and would stay the same, i feel like zeno should still scale to the 2-B multiverse because we know he is powerful enough to reach into other timelines, stated to be able to destroy the world and all of existence if he wanted, so i can see a, zeno, possibly 2-B rating out of this, since he is aware of MW being the cosmology of dragon ball. Thank you for reading.
Agree: CryptoTheMayo (2-B), georredannea15
Neutral: Achintiya31, Omegabronic
Disagree: LyphyrTheRevanchist, StekFence
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