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Dragon Ball Manga - 3-A Buu Aaga
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@KingTempest also summarized my feelings very well. It's established that Buu just goes around from planet to planet destroying everything in his path, so using dubious statements made by the Kais seems out-of-place, and not enough solid feats to actually conclude this. Like the Goku vs Beerus fight, THAT was a battle which clearly showed Beerus' and SSG Goku's power. The shockwaves from their battle were literally rippling throughout the entire universe, and there was more clear-cut statements by the Kais when they said "the universe will be destroyed". Here the main evidence is just based on debatable wording, and statements about energy, all without actual concrete feats.
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No it isn't. What's established is that he wipes out life at his leisure at first and destroys the environment itself when there's no life left (as he you know, does to Earth). He went planet to planet in the past specifically because he was hunting out life. That has nothing to do with him destroying the universe, they're completel different things.
It might've been dubious if we didn't have any ways to find timeframes, but we do. He factually is not capable of simply going planet to planet to destroy the entire universe with the given timeframes and the downscaled limits on his travel speed.
It might've been dubious if we didn't have any ways to find timeframes, but we do. He factually is not capable of simply going planet to planet to destroy the entire universe with the given timeframes and the downscaled limits on his travel speed.
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bruh we refuted all that already
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That’s not MGL+ it’s have to be >1.4125e 92 joules.
and energy/s fails as a way to measure destruction overtime.
you have to narrow it down to the single largest destruction he can cause with a singular attack How many times he would need to spam it and how long it would take.
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Honestly the only person who is providing better debunks is Aguila
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What? We were given a time frame, thats how you determine the energy output.
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No you didn't, you just said shit and went "refuted lol"
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What is the time frame? I've yet to see a scan that shows one.
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The timeframe comes from Shin and Elder Kai’s lifespan so 1k or 75k
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Why?
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Just to say, you saying "we refuted already" is not a good argument at all, it comes off as extremely arrogant
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Yeah, we already had so many discussions. I still agree that he merely destroys every planet and star in the universe one by one over time rather then straight up oneshot the universe. And as for going to the Kaioshin Realm, I am fine with a range upgrade that he can teleport to other timelines however. And in other words, disagree with the OP.
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The universe isn’t a battery you can overload and destroy just by plugging enough energy inside it.
Buu would have to be specifically targetting celestial bodies / galaxies and launch attacks to destroy them and everything sorrounding them
If for example buu destroys two galaxies but uses two individual attacks to blow them up he is only 3-C instead of 3-B because he didn’t engulf them both in one go but still qualify for destroying multiple galaxies, most of the energetic values from tier 3 feats exist because of the vast amount of empty space an omnidirectional explosion has to cover.
there are way too many variables for a destruction feat overtime to properly calc.
he don’t even need to be that fast, if his attacks are spammable and has good enough range and aim he can nail everything within a couple billion years without ever shifting position foregoing the empty space requirement for most 4-B feats and above
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Look at it like this. We know because of Super that Buu's travel speed is significantly below quadrillions FTL (and as far as I'm aware, this wouldn't be calc stacking, because the timeframes are given directly by canon itself, like Whis taking 35 minutes to fly from Beerus' planet to Earth), and we have a maximum timeframe of 1000 years.
With those in mind, pretty sure saying he even goes galaxy by galaxy would be way out of his speed tier. It'd just be the same sort of calc Toei Buu has for destroying the Kai Realm and Z Broly has for destroying the universe in his lifetime with a higher timeframe.
With those in mind, pretty sure saying he even goes galaxy by galaxy would be way out of his speed tier. It'd just be the same sort of calc Toei Buu has for destroying the Kai Realm and Z Broly has for destroying the universe in his lifetime with a higher timeframe.
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Well, I definitely agree, the counterarguments were weak and refuted, but for me 3-B would be more than fine.
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Why does it have to be within Shin's lifespan? Shin is just kind of a coward.
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Kid Buu has quotes of climbing with Beerus 75 million years ago, Beerus would destroy all Kaioshin Realm i would definitely agree with a possible 3-B or probably, what do you think, bro?
Beerus is mentioned that he would destroy the entire Kaioshin Realm.
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In the work it mentions that the Beerus of that time was inferior to Majin Buu
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Why would it be more than his lifespan? There’s not much backing that claim up
Yeah my calc was suppose to be like Broly’s and I think most people are realizing if the staff consensus is that it’s overtime then we need a calc for the overtime feat since I think 3 staff say Its overtime now? Not sure about King
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Elder Kai isn't, and he straight up says he was going to come after them on the Kaioshin Planet after destroying the universe, implying he'd finish destroying it before their lives were up, Kibito calling Gohan "our" savior for being able to defeat Buu, Goku saying Buu would've done everyone in, Kibito stating that there'd be no peace for anyone in the universe now that he was unsealed, etc. It's made pretty clear that Buu would kill anyone and everyone, including the Kai.
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what do you mean said "shit" there were counter arguments to damages response, saying he would just go planet to planet when clearly that is not what was happening, he was treated as an immediate, if you wanna lowball it, very quick destruction of the universe, which is bare minimum tier 3.
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Translations | Saikyō Jump (June 2014): "Twel-Buu Mysteries" (Toriyama Q&A)
English translation of Akira Toriyama's special 'Twel-Buu Mysteries' Q&A session in the June 2014 issue of Saikyō Jump in Japan
www.kanzenshuu.com
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He was an imminent threat to the universe, we already responded to the "planet to planet" argument, and besides, if that was the case, we already have a time frame of shins life span, for buu to be done ravaging the entire universe, it would still come out to multi galaxy level lowballed.
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Yeah, if we can agree on a timeframe, it should be pretty simple. Just plug it in to the calcs Z Broly and Toei Buu have for similar statements, and just discard the 3-A stuff for now and leave it at that.
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Facts like the kaioshin life span timeframe should work fine as a lowball, even though is should be much higher than that, should be at least multi-galaxy+
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This counter-argument of going from planet to planet does not work, we see that Majin Buu would only do that if the planet had living beings (this is shown in the manga, where Majin Buu was exterminating living beings on each planet and destroying it), otherwise he could throwing enormous energy without thinking twice about obliterating all planets and stars in the universe, Kid Buu is a being who doesn't think twice before blowing up anything.
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Strange that most other forums do not see this reasoning even years later.
We have to have standards. Its what gives something its value. One statement without a shred of it ever happening on-screen is a very shoddy justification for upgrading a character to such a massive degree.
Compare this to the justification for Universal BOG Goku and Beerus. There is laughably more to it than in this situation.
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Appeal to popularity, how can universal destruction over a given timeframe, potentially instant, not tier 3? We haven given evidence also.
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Because it never happens, and there is never anymore reference to it. It's a one-off statement Goku makes to raise the stakes of their battle for the reader.
Buu never actually starts destroying anything larger than a planet. They are only solar system level via powerscaling from Cell I might add. So the gap between Buu's on-screen feats and hype is massive.
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That's simply not true, the Kais (same characters universal BOG is partly accepted because of), Babidi, have all mentioned Buu destroying the entire universe. Goku literally even knows that information in the first place because the Kais told him. And being written to "raise the stakes" doesn't make it any less valid, that isn't an argument, it's literally the story.
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The Kai's don't make the statement, Goku does. Plus, the aforementioned universal BOG is backed up by on-screen feats.
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Which statement? The poof one specifically or destroying the universe in general? The latter's been reiterated numerous times besides Goku.
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That I'm also positive was a poor translation. I have read articles where the proper translation is "Not as bad as Buu" meaning not as evil or diabolical and nothing to do with raw power comparisons. Especially since that's contradicted much later on as Kid Buu is fodder compared to Beerus.
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Viz is known for being awful, but because they’re “official” they’re better?
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What I'm saying is that you said shit in response to the original shit, then just immediately went "yeah, that's refuted."
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Maybe. But didn't Kid Buu have the Vice Shout anyway? He could come for them at any point. Or did only Super Buu have portals?
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