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Agreed. Best boi sweeps.wopar
1 | Mud Shot | 55 | 95% | 15 | ||
1 | Tail Whip | — | 100% | 30 | ||
4 | Tackle | 40 | 100% | 35 | ||
8 | Poison Tail | 50 | 100% | 25 | ||
12 | Toxic Spikes | — | —% | 20 | ||
16 | Slam | 80 | 75% | 20 | ||
21 | Yawn | — | —% | 10 | ||
24 | Poison Jab | 80 | 100% | 20 | ||
28 | Sludge Wave | 95 | 100% | 10 | ||
32 | Amnesia | — | —% | 20 | ||
36 | Toxic | — | 90% | 10 | ||
40 | Earthquake | 100 |
Acid Spray | 40 | 100% | 20 | |||
After You | — | —% | 15 | |||
Ancient Power | Rock | 60 | 100% | 5 | ||
Counter | — | 100% | 20 | |||
Curse | — | —% | 10 | |||
Double Kick | 30 | 100% | 30 | |||
Haze | Ice | — | —% | 30 | ||
Mist | Ice | — | —% | 30 | ||
Recover | — | —% | 5 | |||
Spit Up | — | 100% | 10 | |||
Stockpile | — | —% | 20 | |||
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Reflux does not have arms? https://ibb.co/sVB3r6FYou know, this is oddly thematic, neither have arms yet can punch anyways.
Black Lums does not have arms and Reflux in his mutated form is composed of them at leastI mistook the character for the verse, NVM
Could he though? Absolutely nothing on the profile implies he can adapt to being poisoned (Especially pokemon poison, that shit is pretty potent, let alone Toxic which Woper learns naturally), the closest thing is that he could adapt wings but that's completely incomparable to adapting to being poisoned. There's also Yawn though too, should Wooper's initial options fail, it could use Yawn to put Reflux to sleep and give it some time to get moves off. The woopers in the marsh area have yawn too iirc so it isn't out of character for it to be used eventually.The second is when he is blessed by a god, nothing important from that, but he could adapt to minor hax like poisoning and the way his body works is extremely weird, as he is compose by lums/hoodlums, so if Wooper poisons him, he can expel the lum that is poisoned as he does in the fourth phase when attacked by Rayman gunship and starts regaining hoodlums to heal itself
Wooper has poison point, toxic spikes, and several moves that can inflict poison such as Toxic, Sludge Wave, Poison Jab, etc. It shouldn't be hard, it'd likely happen the moment he hits Wooper, or is hit by any of Wooper's main poison moves, Slude Wave is particularly nasty given it's an AOE move that floods the area with poison.But first, he has to poison him, and he has a permanent barrier that he only drops when attacking,
Oh yeah, Wooper has stat debuffs, that's also an issue, assuming Wooper makes use of his buff/debuffing moves, he could make the stat advantage swing into his favor with about a 4x advantage. I doubt he'd lead with it, but assuming the fight goes on for awhile, I could see that coming into play, especially as Wooper has means to prolong the fight with recover, yawn, and other such things.if he was a electric type, that barrier is weak to electrical attacks, no idea if that barrier can stop things like Leer, it has power nullification on that but it never interacted with something like that, if anything, it stops the sound, but I also posted this on the rayman forum so more people can give his opinion
When he ejects those, you have to kill them to stop Reflux for healingAs for expelling it, could he?
The first one is weird because If I remember right, conkeldurr could be poisoned if he hits you with his column, but normally Reflux NEVER attacks physically, like, the only time would be his gigant punches in his gigant form, that is, the rest would be proyectiles or staffs attacksWooper has poison point, toxic spikes, and several moves that can inflict poison such as Toxic, Sludge Wave, Poison Jab, etc. It shouldn't be hard, it'd likely happen the moment he hits Wooper, or is hit by any of Wooper's main poison moves, Slude Wave is particularly nasty given it's an AOE move that floods the area with poison.
Probably less as Reflux tank several x2 attacks of rayman, is inmune to those with barriers and grows stronger to the point of tanking missiles from Rayman in his weakpoint, but he would be stronger , x2 at minimun, x4 at maxwith about a 4x advantage
And if the poison spreads throughout? Or if he's engulfed by toxic or sludge wave? How can eject the poisoned ones if they're all poisoned?When he ejects those, you have to kill them to stop Reflux for healing
And he normally ejects a large amount, but nothing stops him for ejecting the poisoned one and let´s say he can only eject a large amount, the poisoned one would die before returning to the body
That's fine, it's just one of like 8 ways Wooper can poison, that one being contact based.The first one is weird because If I remember right, conkeldurr could be poisoned if he hits you with his column, but normally Reflux NEVER attacks physically, like, the only time would be his gigant punches in his gigant form, that is, the rest would be proyectiles or staffs attacks
Toxic effectively spawns ontop of the opponentToxic has to surpass the barrier/be used when attacking and the rest of attacks the same, and except toxic,
Correct, but we're also not working on game logic, it isn't like they're going by turns, Wooper can spam them. A sludge wave would swamp the area with poison, or if it's anything like the anime, the "chance" to poison is very, very, high as seen with Palpitoad's.the rest are % based so Wooper
He might not be that smart, but it is Gifted in battle. Almost all Pokemon are hardwired for battle and excel in tricky situations and are quick to adapt on the fly (I say almost tho, obviously shit like Slowpoke and Venomoth in particular are dumb as shit). I don't think Wooper is going to have much trouble figuring out that he can only be harmed when it attacks, and as such would likely use that invulnerability time buffing itself instead, so when it does get the chance to attack, its attacks will be far more brutal and potent, and as we know, it does seem to like poisoning as an actual in-character tactic so setting up toxic spikes and toxic on the vulnerable phases would help it drastically given Toxic's poison is exponential and very quickly kill or incap a foe.with his limited intelligence has to understand how Reflux works, maybe he can do it, but first stages are "newbies" compared to the real last stage pokemon, maybe he understand that Reflux is using protect but it works different, because is a permanent one except when attacking, which makes no sense in Pokemon at least, but I can buy him stalling and doing his usual tactics of course
I just did the actual math, at maximum stat fuckery on both sides (Stage 6 drops and buffs), Wooper would have a maximum net gain of around 5.8x in advantage (Accounting for both def drops, and its own buffs and factoring in his initial disadvantage, basically a 3x buff and a 3x debuff). This is very, very, bad. That's almost a one-shot, and given Wooper has multiple AOE attacks like Earthquake and Sludge Wave (Former AOE is massive), if Wooper is given the chance to buff up it could be disastrous.Probably less as Reflux tank several x2 attacks of rayman, is inmune to those with barriers and grows stronger to the point of tanking missiles from Rayman in his weakpoint, but he would be stronger , x2 at minimun, x4 at max
And Reflux eventually dies when his hoodlooms are destroyed, which are destroyed by directly destroying them if he ejects them to heal himself or damaging the body, which would destroy at least one if the attack is strong enough, and hitting his weakpoint will cause even more damage, you can kill him in gameplay even if you don´t destroy hoodlums that were ejected, but it will be time consuming
Pretty much. We now don't even use anime feats for scaling the games.So game > anime?
Oh yeahBecause of the uncomposite thread, we now go with what the game shows.
If we made an anime profile for woopster, then we would go with how the anime portray attacks for em.
No idea how it works because hoodlums are weird, and hoodlums itself are a group of black lums with fabric of animalsAnd if the poison spreads throughout?
The tornado of flames is the only exception to that rule though, in the first video you can see him spinning in flames, I won´t count the shockwave as in that fight Rayman can´t even damage Reflux normally and he attacks him when exhausted which makes no sense compared to his second fight when he is indeed able to damage him when not exhaustedand you said yourself. In order to attack he has to drop it
I went to his profile and he has enough range to destroy all of the hoodlums which would cause in the fourth phase to drop his health by gameplay at least 60% or even more as not even speedrunners can destroy ALL, it would be 2 cycles of that, Wooper is going to get the WR at this pointIs that so? Wooper using poison tactics, atop of powerful AOE like Earthquake, Sludge Wave, or even Ancient Power
How common and telegraphed? We have people with homing attacks so some auto-hits aren't necessarily ban-worthy (wooper has that too anyways)Also, I have one "problem" and I have to ask, Reflux attack speed is bonkers compared to the rest of his speed, is that fair? He is MFTL+ attacking, but that is not his combat speed, is the speed of his proyectiles and probably how fast he goes while spinning
If that is too much then I will gladly retire for the tournament, I want it fair, but I don´t know if extremely fast proyectiles are fair or not
At least no one of his proyectiles are homing at leastHow common and telegraphed? We have people with homing attacks so some auto-hits aren't necessarily ban-worthy (wooper has that too anyways)
Oh, so I'm assuming we're in need of some replacement LS calcs then give they aren't scaling off Mantyke anymore?We now don't even use anime feats for scaling the games.
Poison is goopy/liquidy. Should work.No idea how it works because hoodlums are weird, and hoodlums itself are a group of black lums with fabric of animals
I'm sure Wooper can avoid what is essentially Fire Spin. The rest, well I'm not sure how that factors in?The tornado of flames is the only exception to that rule though, in the first video you can see him spinning in flames, I won´t count the shockwave as in that fight Rayman can´t even damage Reflux normally and he attacks him when exhausted which makes no sense compared to his second fight when he is indeed able to damage him when not exhausted
Wouldn't that just be combat speed if both his attacks and physical spinning are both that fast.Also, I have one "problem" and I have to ask, Reflux attack speed is bonkers compared to the rest of his speed, is that fair? He is MFTL+ attacking, but that is not his combat speed, is the speed of his proyectiles and probably how fast he goes while spinning
I mean, they are what they are, but I'm not Armor, I'd say as long as he doesn't spam like 50 million before leaving himself open Wooper could manage, otherwise bruh what the ****.If that is too much then I will gladly retire for the tournament, I want it fair, but I don´t know if extremely fast proyectiles are fair or not
I went to his profile and he has enough range to destroy all of the hoodlums which would cause in the fourth phase to drop his health by gameplay at least 60% or even more as not even speedrunners can destroy ALL, it would be 2 cycles of that, Wooper is going to get the WR at this point
OgeyI read the rest of your post, I am thinking right now and I would answer tomorrow as I have to sleep
Yes. Stuff is outdated af now.Oh, so I'm assuming we're in need of some replacement LS calcs then give they aren't scaling off Mantyke anymore?
Wow chariot just called you a really bad word Kuwabara. that's pretty f*cked up how do you feel about it. I can see what he said and wow that's like all slurs at once or worse i don't even know how he did it but it's messed up.bruh what the *****.
Easy fix. I'll deal with that when I drop SW profile in like two years.Yes. Stuff is outdated af now.
but some main supporters dipped after the uncomposite thread, so GGs
They're ******* lucky that's all I saidWow chariot just called you a really bad word Kuwabara. that's pretty f*cked up how do you feel about it. I can see what he said and wow that's like all slurs at once or worse i don't even know how he did it but it's messed up.
Poison pokémon can affect stuff like Rotom, which is made of electricity, or even Porygon, who is made up of data. Even Regidrago, who is made up from (draconic) energy can be affected by poison types., then they are completely made of energy and I’m not sure if they would even be affected by poison. I’m not sure if expelling a poisoned Hoodlum would work or not.
That was more of a limitation that happened before he was empowered by Leptys. Though it looks like the forcefields technically only cover the scepter in the final boss fight.As for the first bit, do the force fields go down when he attacks still? If so nothing changes (Can the forcefields be broken btw? Assuming Wop roids out on amnesia or something?).
When & where was that thread, BTW?Yes. Stuff is outdated af now.
but some main supporters dipped after the uncomposite thread, so GGs
Part 1 (establishing standards)When & where was that thread, BTW?