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Why couldn't you specify that in the first place?...
Link the source of the soil vaporization value IN the calc itself
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Anyways, Psycho should have that covered.
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Why couldn't you specify that in the first place?...
Link the source of the soil vaporization value IN the calc itself
If you can get him to scale to the fireball upscaling to baseline 8-B is no problemAdded water vaporization, and now it's just even closer to City Block, but it's still Large Building+
Magic fireball not scaling to physicals go brrrr
I support Chariot, we don't even need a statement of the fireball being compared to physicals, it's like comparing a gunshot to physicals because you withstand the recoil.
It's a magical attack with unknown properties and physics, as it is it has to be separated from physicalsit's also a giant outlier but whatever
I wouldn't even scale Finn to Balor's death, the comic says that he slammed him in his own crater (which was still burning) but it might also be a case of the demon dying because of the loss of his crown or simply the way he dies if killed, like many supernatural entities in fiction that explode or vanish upon death.
Tier 8 WWE
The meal is about to expire real soon, too.You're cooking, but I'm not sure if this meal is to my taste.
Magic fireball not scaling to physicals go brrrr
I support Chariot, we don't even need a statement of the fireball being compared to physicals, it's like comparing a gunshot to physicals because you withstand the recoil.
It's a magical attack with unknown properties and physics, as it is it has to be separated from physicalsit's also a giant outlier but whatever
I wouldn't even scale Finn to Balor's death, the comic says that he slammed him in his own crater (which was still burning) but it might also be a case of the demon dying because of the loss of his crown or simply the way he dies if killed, like many supernatural entities in fiction that explode or vanish upon death.
You're cooking, but I'm not sure if this meal is to my taste.
Jokes aside, nothing seems out of place here. As long as the math holds up (which should be the case, given the positive evaluations by the calc group), I see no issue applying these changes. The only thing I'd be concerned about is the potential for these to be outliers if these characters are otherwise consistently depicted below such a level.
Well, here are the opinions of the members that actually matter at the end of the day.hmph, looks good
Updated OP with a vote tally.Agree: @DarkGrath, @KingTempest
Disagree: @SamanPatou
Neutral:
Well, here are the opinions of the members that actually matter at the end of the day.
That's mean
Thread mods and admins unfortunately have more privilege, when I honestly think CGMs opinion should matter just as much.
Well, if their fireballs are no different from their regular physicals, I don't really see the problem unless the demon is being portrayed like he's some kind of glass cannon or similar stuff (MCU Scarlet Witch for an example) closer to that if that's the case then I would understand. And either then 'd say that the Demon is pretty much handling all that power for that one normal attack for much for what I would sayMagic fireball not scaling to physicals go brrrr
I support Chariot, we don't even need a statement of the fireball being compared to physicals, it's like comparing a gunshot to physicals because you withstand the recoil.
It's a magical attack with unknown properties and physics, as it is it has to be separated from physicalsit's also a giant outlier but whatever
I wouldn't even scale Finn to Balor's death, the comic says that he slammed him in his own crater (which was still burning) but it might also be a case of the demon dying because of the loss of his crown or simply the way he dies if killed, like many supernatural entities in fiction that explode or vanish upon death.
From what I see, there's no further elaboration aside from those two pages, and there nothing suggests that the fireball is in any way comparable to his physicals, and here a positive needs to be proven, not the other way around. Our standard assumption for all magic and supernatural attacks is that they are separate from physical strength, requiring actual evidences to assume the two are comparable.Well, if their fireballs are no different from their regular physicals, I don't really see the problem unless the demon is being portrayed like he's some kind of glass cannon or similar stuff (MCU Scarlet Witch for an example) closer to that if that's the case then I would understand. And either then 'd say that the Demon is pretty much handling all that power for that one normal attack for much for what I would say
Fair, although I was figuring if tier 8 was really an outlier for this verse even though it's just due to the pressure that the wrestlers are applying into those objects.From what I see, there's no further elaboration aside from those two pages, and there nothing suggests that the fireball is in any way comparable to his physicals, and here a positive needs to be proven, not the other way around. Our standard assumption for all magic and supernatural attacks is that they are separate from physical strength, requiring actual evidences to assume the two are comparable.
The demon very well be handling all his power, but nothing says it's physical power. Could be willpower, magic power, demon power, whatever power, we just don't know.
Unless we get some clear-cut evidences, the fireball can't scale to physical. And this ignoring how WWE wrestlers get consistently injured by things for which even 9-A is already a considerable stretch, let alone a huge gap like this.
Unless we get some clear-cut evidences, the fireball can't scale to physical. And this ignoring how WWE wrestlers get consistently injured by things for which even 9-A is already a considerable stretch, let alone a huge gap like this.
Hmm...The demon very well be handling all his power, but nothing says it's physical power. Could be willpower, magic power, demon power, whatever power, we just don't know.
Unless we get some clear-cut evidences, the fireball can't scale to physical. And this ignoring how WWE wrestlers get consistently injured by things for which even 9-A is already a considerable stretch, let alone a huge gap like this.
To keep it short and sweet, the Demon Finn defeats is named Bálor, which is where Finn got his last name from (in kayfabe ofc).The demon very well be handling all his power, but nothing says it's physical power. Could be willpower, magic power, demon power, whatever power, we just don't know.
Unless we get some clear-cut evidences, the fireball can't scale to physical. And this ignoring how WWE wrestlers get consistently injured by things for which even 9-A is already a considerable stretch, let alone a huge gap like this.
Doesn't this imply that Finn is weaker than the demon normally too?Not only does Finn gain a ton of supernatural abilities when becoming the Demon King, he's also far superior to his normal self from a physical standpoint, such as when he lost to Roman Reigns in his base form multiple times, to virtually no-selling Roman's moves (I'm too lazy to make timestamps/gifs) only losing due to...bad luck ig. Hell, even lifting Bobby Lashley was considered crazy by commentary, implying that base Finn couldn't do this.
No. It's just that the Demon gives him far greater power when he does transform into it.Doesn't this imply that Finn is weaker than the demon normally too?
Creating a weird contradiction of him allegedly killing the demon in one blow to begin with if the demon's physicals amp him drastically?
let alone fireball stuff
ye.doesnt that mean he isn't even gaining the demon's actual attack stats, he's just getting buffed atop his own stats?
I mean, it's called "Finn Bálor reveals the history of The Demon King" and Balor looks almost identical to how he looks in the comicThat's clearly flowery language in a promo unrelated to the comic and meant to act big against Rollins, not actual expositions about his power, otherwise we'd have to scale him to all the apocalyptic stuff he attributes to Balor in that same speech and make him High 6-A.
Btw there's the 8-C calc for Finn vapping Balor, of course one could argue that it's just a byproduct of Demon physiology, but it should still be consideredI'm with Saman and Armor, I don't think we have a solid basis for the fireball scaling to physicals.
Ngl it still sound like a flowery language even if we put down the high 6-A stuff down atmI mean, it's called "Finn Bálor reveals the history of The Demon King" and Balor looks almost identical to how he looks in the comic
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Think we can attribute the High 6-A stuff to being myth and legends about Balor, afterall, that's all that Finn calls them, plus lad did use his eye without nuking the world
The comics are canon.That's clearly flowery language in a promo unrelated to the comic
I don't follow. He said it's flowery language in a promo unrelated to the comic. How does the canonicity of the comic help us thereThe comics are canon.