Nonduality or Transduality for The Primordial - God of war

[Fixxed]

Just how much did you make this easy to obtain, exactly?

Nonduality is easy basically, the hard one is transduality because it require complete transcensence over duality and nonduality

This standard just add the easy one, for get some ability that can be written in the character's page

 

[Georredannea15]

Nonduality is easy basically, the hard one is transduality because it require complete transcensence over duality and nonduality

This standard just add the easy one, for get some ability that can be written in the character's page

Wouldn't some primordials receive TD because they existed before the non-dual characters, independently and unaffected?

 

[Planck69]

All the Primordials should get Nonduality since they predate all the dualities that make up reality.

 

[Fixxed]

Wouldn't some primordials receive TD because they existed before the non-dual characters, independently and unaffected?

Yes in my opinion, but i think it better for the next time, if only the nonduality is accepted now

 

[Georredannea15]

All the Primordials should get Nonduality since they predate all the dualities that make up reality.

But what about the other primordials that existed even before and independently of the "non-dual" primordials?

 

[SYPHe5D]

TD exists because there are beings that exist before and are independent of non-dual beings.

But, i respect to you opinion brother

TD to my knowledge requires a straight forward transcendence over duality and non duality therefore I don’t see anyone having it in gow.

 

[Georredannea15]

Yes in my opinion, but i think it better for the next time, if only the nonduality is accepted now

So, TD is later... Alr then. But yes, it could have been TD.

 

[KLOL506]

You would need to prove transcendence over said dualities to gun for Transduality, which we frankly have fuckall to provide for.

 

[SYPHe5D]

But what about the other primordials that existed even before and independently of the "non-dual" primordials?

You are better off getting non duality accepted then tackling that later.

 

[Georredannea15]

TD to my knowledge requires a straight forward transcendence over duality and non duality therefore I don’t see anyone having it in gow.

Hehe, just relax. You will see. I'll let some time pass for now.

 

[SYPHe5D]

Hehe, just relax. You will see. I'll let some time pass for now.

You make your own luck huh ? Sure then.

 

[Planck69]

But what about the other primordials that existed even before and independently of the "non-dual" primordials?

Like who? And in any case, I'm not seeing how being older than other Nondual beings means anything. They're already independent of each other's aspects to begin with.

 

[Georredannea15]

You are better off getting non duality accepted then tackling that later.

That's what I'm going to do anyway, and Transduality is not my main plan for primordials. For different, superior beings. But like I said, "I'll let some time pass" and our current topic is just Greek primordials

 

[Georredannea15]

Like who? And in any case, I'm not seeing how being older than other Nondual beings means anything. They're already independent of each other's aspects to begin with.

Transduality: Characters with this type of nonduality exist outside and independently of the logical systems they're nondual regarding

This is a small excerpt, but as I said, our current topic is just Greek primordials, but I'd also like to hear from you whether "possibly TD" will fly here or not

 

[Planck69]

This is a small excerpt, but as I said, our current topic is just Greek primordials, but I'd also like to hear from you whether "possibly TD" will fly here or not

It won't. Predating =/= transcending.

 

[Georredannea15]

It won't. Predating =/= transcending.

In other words, it's not enough existence before them as independent of them. Okay then, I asked if this could be "possibly TD", but if no one agrees, I have no objection.

 

[Elizhaa]

So, after reading the new page (something I recommend the people on this thread actually do);

The Primordials predate and are independent of the aspects of reality that each other govern (which so far includes the Heavens i.e. the mortal universe, dreams, life, death, seas, earth etc.).

So, by wiki definition, they'd have Nonduality Type 1, Aspect 2.

I agree.

 

[Georredannea15]

I agree.

Doesn't the fact that there are multiple dualities in a reality and that it is independent of and outside of all of them(all of dualities in reality) make this a type 2? Am I wrong?

If there’s more than one duality that exists and it extends across reality it’s type 2. You don’t need “all dualities” to be spelled out for you to get type 2.

 

[Vietthai96]

Isn't @DontTalkDT already said, duality require the verse to establish a system, rather than just some vague words sound like a duality, such as fire and water is opposite from each other, but they aren't a dual system

 

[Fixxed]

Doesn't the fact that there are multiple dualities in a reality and that it is independent of and outside of all of them(all of dualities in reality) make this a type 2? Am I wrong?

Bruh he agree with planck that agree with type 2

 

[Georredannea15]

Isn't @DontTalkDT already said, duality require the verse to establish a system, rather than just some vague words sound like a duality, such as fire and water is opposite from each other, but they aren't a dual system

We already have that, These must exist in the reality plane, so with this, these are dualities. (And users cannot tag staff)

 

[Vietthai96]

We already have that, These must exist in the reality plane, so with this, these are dualities. (And users cannot tag staff)

Must exist what???, don't tell me we can get nondual simply because we predate reality now???

Also no, i don't tag him, using @ make it faster rather than solely write his name, i'm lazy lol

 

[Georredannea15]

Must exist what???, don't tell me we can get nondual simply because we predate reality now???

So if these opposing concepts, or opposites, are spread in the reality, this is duality (as stated on the page). And especially when they are like other sides of the same coin.

And they not only exist before it, the primordials are also indepented to it and unaffected by it, existing before these is just additional support.

 

[Fixxed]

Isn't @DontTalkDT already said, duality require the verse to establish a system, rather than just some vague words sound like a duality, such as fire and water is opposite from each other, but they aren't a dual system

Well it because fire and water or other thing can be exist independently and have own system to each other. But in GoW it literally say "balance between thing" "other side of coin", that mean the two contradict thing is govern by a system of duality

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Yeah I'd prefer for there to be a better established system of duality before agreeing to this. Kinda outvoted atm but whatever.

 

[Vietthai96]

Well it because fire and water or other thing can be exist independently and have own system to each other. But in GoW it literally say "balance between thing" "other side of coin", that mean the two contradict thing is govern by a system of duality

I still skeptical about this statement but whatever

 

[FeebasExE]

Isn't @DontTalkDT already said, duality require the verse to establish a system, rather than just some vague words sound like a duality, such as fire and water is opposite from each other, but they aren't a dual system

Thanks you. I'll wait for him to be here

 

[FeebasExE]

Well it because fire and water or other thing can be exist independently and have own system to each other. But in GoW it literally say "balance between thing" "other side of coin", that mean the two contradict thing is govern by a system of duality

Lol. I'd rather we get knowledgeable staff to confirm

 

[Gasper]

Disagree. Nothing here is non-duality

 

[KLOL506]

Thanks you. I'll wait for him to be here

If he comes here, great, if not, nothing we can do. If the thread is concluded before he comes here (I already tagged him), he can always open a downgrade thread to deal with this if he wishes to, it'd be silly to intentionally delay the thread otherwise, and even then, he'd have at best two weeks assuming he's already confirmed interest in the thread.

 

[Gasper]

Verses like DC are being contested if it actually has Transduality and Characters like Lord Chaos and Master Order don't even have Transduality in their first key even though they created the In-Betweener. And they all have far better arguments for Non dualism than GoW.

 

[KLOL506]

Verses like DC are being contested if it actually has Transduality and Characters like Lord Chaos and Master Order don't even have Transduality in their first key even though they created the In-Betweener. And they all have far better arguments for Non dualism than GoW.

Transduality and Nonduality underwent some revisions, I would suggest to kindly heed Master Planck's words on reading the page first.

 

[Gasper]

Transduality and Nonduality underwent some revisions, I would suggest to kindly heed Master Planck's words on reading the page first.

How is any of this Non duality again? This is just existing before two dualities nothing more.
And Morpheus merging two "opposing realities" together isn't non dualism either lol.

That's just AP. Hard Disagree.

 

[KLOL506]

Then there should be a CRT clarifying what exactly qualifies as dualities and what doesn't, because frankly this is getting ridiculous at this point.

 

[Vietthai96]

Then there should be a CRT clarifying what exactly qualifies as dualities and what doesn't, because frankly this is getting ridiculous at this point.

well, this ability is suppose to be rediculous

 

[Georredannea15]

Guys, “light and darkness” are the most fundamental dualities. In fact, it is one of the most cited examples of dualism.

Huh... What else did you expect the duality to be? The concept of being opposites of each other, fully extended on the plane of reality, is a duality in the wiki.

You don't need statements like "duality" directly

 

[Gasper]

Guys, “light and darkness” are the most fundamental dualities. In fact, it is one of the most cited examples of dualism.

Huh... What else did you expect the duality to be? The concept of being opposites of each other, fully extended on the plane of reality, is a duality in the wiki.

You don't need statements like "duality" directly

Ok? How does this apply to Primordials?

 

[Georredannea15]

Verses like DC are being contested if it actually has Transduality and Characters like Lord Chaos and Master Order don't even have Transduality in their first key even though they created the In-Betweener. And they all have far better arguments for Non dualism than GoW.

Lmao creating this isn't a transduality or not even a non-duality anyway. Also what exactly is "In between"? Doesn't look like Daulity

 

[Georredannea15]

Ok? How does this apply to Primordials?

Wait, I'll explain.

 

[Gasper]

Lmao creating this isn't a transduality or not even a non-duality anyway. Also what exactly is "In between"? Doesn't look like Daulity

Then what is your argument again?

In-Betweener is literally embodiment of all opposite forces and dualities.