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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

i open up this page and my laptop asks me if i want to translate this page from chinese to english 😭
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Anyone in Raw of this scene?

Because honestly, I found 3 translations that each say something completely different.

And this scan used on the cosmology blog has very poor quality.


Chapter 474 for you to know.
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Why didn't anyone use Trunks' mention? Mine, it literally tells different stories generates dift time flow
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
That's gonna be recognized as an outlier.
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It was actually accepted
But then the very same day a downgrade thread on arale happened and then he lost it

Not sure how it'll okay out now tho

RedReaper said:
No, I already covered this pages ago. When people refer to Zeno’s power and his relevance to others, it’s specifically the fact he’s an unkillable god being that can erase ANYTHING—No exceptions.

He is the MOST POWERFUL BEING IN EXISTENCE. This is reiterated several times.

HOWEVER, as stated by Beerus and Whis, he is not a FIGHTER. He is not fast or strong in the conventional sense, nor is it EVER implied he uses Ki. We see this quite clearly in the ToP, where he was a non-combatant who couldn’t observe the fights, and relied on a keyed up IPad. He cannot hit hard, fire lasers, or move quickly, but he is still the most powerful.

That quite literally means that when Whis said his father was the “most powerful” he meant as a conventional fighter.

This is further established when they talk about Ultra Instinct—Goku’s at the bottom of the latter, Whis is higher, and his father above him. Simply put—The Grand Priest is the best fighter/warrior. The Omni King is the most powerful creature.
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First off, it is the default assumption that Zeno, like everything and their mothers in dragon ball, uses ki, not sure why there would be an assumption that he doesn't use it too, his abilities may simply ignore any strengths or weaknesses one has while erasing, but to say he doesn't have it use ki is a reach that needs explicit proof

Secondly, "cannot hit hard" to a guy that was finger flicking planets to oblivion with chess?


As to the GP vs Zeno thing
Pretty sure future Zeno nuked both the GP as everyone else in the timelines either way, as he was all alone that Goku brought him to his own timeline
 
That's true, Beerus will probably get his EE Low 1-C back, at least possibly.

I think this should be one of the first crts that should be made after 5D.

Not to necessarily level up beerus, but at least discuss the achievement.

Whether it will be valid or not.
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Because unlike Daishinkan or Hit where we are more speculating and just trying to find loopholes because it's fun to cook, beerus is something that has already happened.
 
My honest opinion on this discussion

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Phsccarvalho said:
That's true, Beerus will probably get his EE Low 1-C back, at least possibly.

I think this should be one of the first crts that should be made after 5D.

Not to necessarily level up beerus, but at least discuss the achievement.

Whether it will be valid or not.
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Even if it's accepted, which I doubt it will, it'll be shafted as hax and won't scale to his AP or stats either way as it's far above his normal AP,
but I am actually more interested in his resistance of arale's hax, as it was blatantly stated that her gag abilities won't work on him, that's an explicit feat and I'd assume it's a lot easier to give him a resistance than 5D erasure
Phsccarvalho said:
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Because unlike Daishinkan or Hit where we are more speculating and just trying to find loopholes because it's fun to cook, beerus is something that has already happened.
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Daishinkan isn't much of a speculation tbh, if the guide book indeed matches the statement that the concept of time and space didn't exist, then the only outcome is that he introduced then into it (assuming people aren't convinced about the statement from the manga/anime ofcourse)

As for hit, I have no interest in giving him 5d time hax tbh, especially since all he showed was normal time skip, he's just a bait for Whis and co, because their abilities directly affect the time axis if they rewind by more than 3 mins or so it several times in succession, so unlike hit, they significantly affect the temporal axis. So either they affect the axis of the universe, solidifying the presence of 2 distinct temporal zones OR it affects the axis of the hypertimeline
 
Jaakor48 said:
Even if it's accepted, which I doubt it will, it'll be shafted as hax and won't scale to his AP or stats either way as it's far above his normal AP,
but I am actually more interested in his resistance of arale's hax, as it was blatantly stated that her gag abilities won't work on him, that's an explicit feat and I'd assume it's a lot easier to give him a resistance than 5D erasure
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????

And when did I say it would be for AP or statistics?

I just said hax.

Are you okay man?
 
Jaakor48 said:
First off, it is the default assumption that Zeno, like everything and their mothers in dragon ball, uses ki, not sure why there would be an assumption that he doesn't use it too, his abilities may simply ignore any strengths or weaknesses one has while erasing, but to say he doesn't have it use ki is a reach that needs explicit proof
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No. We see very many times that the Gods have unique powers unrelated to Ki. Creating time spaces, moving throughout time, rewinding time, their physiology allowing instinctive dodging, etc. It’s not at all a reach or grasp to suggest that Zeno is also like this.

But also, Zeno obviously has Ki. That’s not in question. What is, is trying to scale Zeno’s perception, physicals, etc. to his hax ability.
Jaakor48 said:
Secondly, "cannot hit hard" to a guy that was finger flicking planets to oblivion with chess?
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That wasn’t at all based on any known physical output, because they were turned into Chess Pieces. (Doubly so in the Manga, where the Chess Pieces are the actual universes.) But even if we assumed it WAS the case, planetary is…absolutely nothing in comparison to what we’re describing here. This is a series where people were born out the womb with the capacity to destroy stars and still be fodder. Zeno having planetary physical capacity would still not prove his physicals scale to his timeline nuking hax.
Jaakor48 said:
As to the GP vs Zeno thing
Pretty sure future Zeno nuked both the GP as everyone else in the timelines either way, as he was all alone that Goku brought him to his own timeline
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That’s a great point! Should put the whole discussion to bed, then.
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
True, that's why something being licensed doesn't make it canon. If it's for an official product, like a game, then it should be expected to be licensed regardless of it's canonicity.
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Sup. Also we know the game most likely isn't canon. A book giving more info about the events and being licensed is way more easily canon though.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
I think it's a sticker book. Collecting characters from ToP. Don't Quote me on that though. I might search a little bit.
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Álbum «Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super – Torneo de la Fuerza» | Big Bang Copag

Comprar + Vista Rápida Álbum "Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super" Álbum «Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super – Del torneo de la Fuerza» $2.400 "En el día 3.135.500.603 del calendario real, a la hora 157, 10 guerreros elegidos por cada universo, participarán en el torneo de la fuerza. En este torneo, que...
web.big-bang.cl web.big-bang.cl
Yes.

Sorta like the El Manga Legendario in a way.
Except, unlike the El Manga Legendario, I cannot seem to find any evidence that Shueisha produced the text for this book.
 
Nullflowerblush said:

Álbum «Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super – Torneo de la Fuerza» | Big Bang Copag

Comprar + Vista Rápida Álbum "Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super" Álbum «Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super – Del torneo de la Fuerza» $2.400 "En el día 3.135.500.603 del calendario real, a la hora 157, 10 guerreros elegidos por cada universo, participarán en el torneo de la fuerza. En este torneo, que...
web.big-bang.cl web.big-bang.cl
Yes.

Sorta like the El Manga Legendario in a way.
Except, unlike the El Manga Legendario, I cannot seem to find any evidence that Shueisha produced the text for this book.
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Cries in dubious canonicity.
 
Nullflowerblush said:

Álbum «Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super – Torneo de la Fuerza» | Big Bang Copag

Comprar + Vista Rápida Álbum "Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super" Álbum «Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super – Del torneo de la Fuerza» $2.400 "En el día 3.135.500.603 del calendario real, a la hora 157, 10 guerreros elegidos por cada universo, participarán en el torneo de la fuerza. En este torneo, que...
web.big-bang.cl web.big-bang.cl
Yes.

Sorta like the El Manga Legendario in a way.
Except, unlike the El Manga Legendario, I cannot seem to find any evidence that Shueisha produced the text for this book.
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Serlock_Holmes said:
Cries in dubious canonicity.
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Seems to be licensed. You can see the Shueisha copyright below, it was apparently done in a partnership with Big Bang, a company in Peru iirc
 
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