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Continuation of this thread, which will focus to revision the Stats, Scaling and Multipliers.
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Sorry I've got 2 questions about the major battles table, first what's the difference between the first field (media) and the second field (media,work,chapter,pages)? Second, what do I put in the "Intensity" field?Just passed by
First thing first, somehow it is previously voted for that Hokuto no Ken high tier characters are somehow baseline FTL by tagging No Shadow Kick which is voted to be defined as baseline FTL feat (it has no "feat display" but the statement of "casting no shadows" has been stated on official media and the action of "casting no shadows" has been deemed to be action moving faster than light instead of leaving no image processed in human brains).
Fist Of The North Star Revision Part 1 (P&A)
Update 1. I made a sandbox for everyone to reorganize the findings about the powers and abilities into a (draft) page format https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Jasonsith/sandbox/Fist_Of_The_North_Star (@Stefano4444 since you are quite devoted in adding the powers and abilities, you may have...vsbattles.com
Second, I have re-calculated the Jagi nuke surviving feat. Yet to be approved properly.
Fist Of The North Star - Jagi Nuke Redux (2008 ver)
vsbattles.fandom.com
Third, someone please fill in the major battles, stating the results and the timeline (with the character states listed) so that a proper power scaling chain can even be established.
Unless a proper chain is established, everyone is "far higher" than Jagi.
The sandbox link is at below
Jasonsith/sandbox/Fist Of The North Star Scaling
vsbattles.fandom.com
Fourth, for those low tier pawn characters and Z and Mr Heart etc... How do we scale them? Yet to discuss.
How close that battle is.Sorry I've got 2 questions about the major battles table, first what's the difference between the first field (media) and the second field (media,work,chapter,pages)? Second, what do I put in the "Intensity" field?
If we take even just the 2 multipliers I mentioned and apply them to the nuke calc, we'd already get a multi-continental result (the nuke calc is 92 teratons of TNT, which is 5.56 petatons if we multiply by 60), ignoring the fact that Ken STARTS OFF multiple times stronger than Jagi to begin with.Just passed by
First thing first, somehow it is previously voted for that Hokuto no Ken high tier characters are somehow baseline FTL by tagging No Shadow Kick which is voted to be defined as baseline FTL feat (it has no "feat display" but the statement of "casting no shadows" has been stated on official media and the action of "casting no shadows" has been deemed to be action moving faster than light instead of leaving no image processed in human brains).
Fist Of The North Star Revision Part 1 (P&A)
Update 1. I made a sandbox for everyone to reorganize the findings about the powers and abilities into a (draft) page format https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Jasonsith/sandbox/Fist_Of_The_North_Star (@Stefano4444 since you are quite devoted in adding the powers and abilities, you may have...vsbattles.com
Second, I have re-calculated the Jagi nuke surviving feat. Yet to be approved properly.
Fist Of The North Star - Jagi Nuke Redux (2008 ver)
vsbattles.fandom.com
Third, someone please fill in the major battles, stating the results and the timeline (with the character states listed) so that a proper power scaling chain can even be established.
Unless a proper chain is established, everyone is "far higher" than Jagi.
The sandbox link is at below
Jasonsith/sandbox/Fist Of The North Star Scaling
vsbattles.fandom.com
Fourth, for those low tier pawn characters and Z and Mr Heart etc... How do we scale them? Yet to discuss.
That could be an issue, either we need to restrict the multipliers to use or we would have to drop them completely.As I said, at this point, we might as well just drop the concept of a multiplier chain, which is convoluted and would SURELY end up giving us results that wouldn't be accepted by the wiki, and just accept the Kaioh and Successor statements which, on top of just being fairly straight forward, are also evidently supported by the scaling chain itself
the only reason multiplier-chain was even brought up in the first place was as a way to ignore the higher-end statements in the series. I'm already not bringing up all of the Universal statements there are for the series, but if we're gonna ignore all of the verse's best feats/scaling then what even is the point of giving them profiles?That could be an issue, either we need to restrict the multipliers to use or we would have to drop them completely.
@KLOL506 said this was fine.Second, I have re-calculated the Jagi nuke surviving feat. Yet to be approved properly.
Fist Of The North Star - Jagi Nuke Redux (2008 ver)
vsbattles.fandom.com
@KLOL506 responded but all he said was to "add degrees after 35".We had this version of the nuke calc awaiting evaluation, this one also includes the cloud dispersion
There are two versions of the Jagi's nuke feat that need to be evaluated and decide which its more accurate.What currently needs to be evaluated here?
I have re-calculated the Jagi nuke surviving feat. Yet to be approved properly.
We had this version of the nuke calc awaiting evaluation, this one also includes the cloud dispersion
I made a doc regarding the scaling, a long time ago, feel free to disagree and ask me whatever you want about the scaling.
If we take even just the 2 multipliers I mentioned and apply them to the nuke calc, we'd already get a multi-continental result (the nuke calc is 92 teratons of TNT, which is 5.56 petatons if we multiply by 60), ignoring the fact that Ken STARTS OFF multiple times stronger than Jagi to begin with.
This is ignoring the fact that Ken's rage amps are heavily implied to all be permanent 3x multipliers, so every time Ken gets mad he gets 3 times stronger, or the fact that he gets "infinitely stronger" after every fight with a strong opponent, or the fact that certain moves can deal damage that's "several times" above the user itself, I can assure you that if you put your mind to it, you could easily cook up a multiplier chain to get these guys to star level and beyond.
As I said, at this point, we might as well just drop the concept of a multiplier chain, which is convoluted and would SURELY end up giving us results that wouldn't be accepted by the wiki, and just accept the Kaioh and Successor statements which, on top of just being fairly straight forward, are also evidently supported by the scaling chain itself
@Mr._Bambu @Therefir @TheRustyOne @DemonGodMitchAubin @Wokistan @Armorchompy @Migue79 @Psychomaster35 @CloverDragon03 @M3X_2.0There are two versions of the Jagi's nuke feat that need to be evaluated and decide which its more accurate.
You will all have to try to reach an agreement or compromise agreement on your own regarding the scaling. I can probably give a go-ahead afterwards.And then there is the general scaling and multipliers, which the latter need to be potentially removed.
For Speed in general i think we are fine for Low Tiers to be either At least Speed of Light to FTL via statements that were accepted as relatable.
I think the general consensus in the last thread is that "it is voted that 'At least Speed of Light, possibly FTL' is accepted via multiple statements, official guide included".For Speed in general i think we are fine for Low Tiers to be either At least Speed of Light to FTL via statements that were accepted as relatable.
This is the function of Tenryu Kokyu Hou (and Kenshiro said it improved from use of 30% to 100% power/potential/ability). Just there are other multipliers that do "increase in strength by 10 times".I think the Ken going from 30 to 100% precent of his power is fine as a multiplier, but I’m not sure on the other ones.
KLOL accepted your nuke calc btwI think the general consensus in the last thread is that "it is voted that 'At least Speed of Light, possibly FTL' is accepted via multiple statements, official guide included".
And I remember I am out-voted.
Just really keep the scans and quote the sources.
Unless you now want to refute such argument.
This is the function of Tenryu Kokyu Hou (and Kenshiro said it improved from use of 30% to 100% power/potential/ability). Just there are other multipliers that do "increase in strength by 10 times".
And while I made the skeleton draft for everyone to fill in the fights where who scale to whom and how many multipliers are used... (which is important in adopting the multiplier system) The progress is slow.
Then, every FOTNS mid tier characters (anyone around and above Jagi) just scale above/around Jagi before any multiplier system is set and key phases identified.
Then the low tier characters... Everyone scales above a grunt who can smash a skull and another grunt who survive d a wooden cross falling on their head?
Jasonsith's nuke had been evaluated and accepted by KLOL506, unsure about Shmeatywerbenmanjenson's nuke since KLOL506 say that he needed to add deg after 35, if he already done it when we need to decide which one to use.What currently needs to be evaluated here?
Looking at the original thread again. The keys probably need to be reworked for Kenshiro.
It looks especially bad on his profile as of now.
Depend of how the powerscaling and multipliers discussion goes there are two outcome either:As for AP, some characters need to be downgraded. Like I don’t think Raoh and others should be High 6-A (more so 6-B+ or High 6-B)
KLOL said your 97 teraton nuke calc was fine.Quantitative attack potency and power scaling - First, once the two nuke feat calculation selection is settled, every character scale from that feat, with tags on "likely higher", "likely far higher" on clearly stronger characters (basically most of them).
Second, fill the table I provided and determine which character scale from which level of multipliers.
Apply changes accordingly.
Qualitative powers and abilities - can be added instantly with usual evaluation.
@Jasonsith @SamanPatou @Armorchompy @KLOL506 @Ugarik @Therefir @TheRustyOne @AbaddonTheDisappointment @Dalesean027 @CloverDragon03KLOL said your 97 teraton nuke calc was fine.
He said that the other calc feat needed one adjustment, but I think it was adjusted and he just didn't respond.
Since you're a calc member, can't you just check out the other calc?
boopHi there,
I decided to join this thread on account of Kenshiro getting more keys but each of those keys not having their own ap to go with them
A restrained Kaioh could defeat Kenshiro at full strength.What's the current reasoning for Kaioh scaling to Raoh?