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Now that the recent Otherworld Comedy and Sonic Dream Team have come out, I can finally make an attempt at upgrading the size of Game Sonic's cosmology (to coincide with the Archie boost).
All the relevant information and arguments are here. Credit to ShakeResounding for looking over it and proofreading.
As a tl;dr (this is primarily focused on the concept of hyper timelines):
Individual dreams: 4-D, possibly 5-D to 6-D
Cyberspace: > 4-D, possibly 5-D to 6-D
Sonic and Blaze’s world: 4-D, possibly 5-D to 6-D
Phantom Ruby/Rush Eggmanland: 4-D, possibly 5-D to 6-D
Maginaryworld: 5-7 D
White Space: Beyond everything else.
Keep in mind, this is purely discussing changes to the cosmology. Scaling can be saved for another time.
Also credit to @ShakeResounding @HenshinIntervention (no longer here but very important), and @ThatBusyDude (apparently also no longer here) for some of the scans and translations.
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus (with 5-D, skeptical about higher)
Disagree:
Neutral: Maverick_Zero_X (neutral on 6-D, sees merit in 5-D)
All the relevant information and arguments are here. Credit to ShakeResounding for looking over it and proofreading.
As a tl;dr (this is primarily focused on the concept of hyper timelines):
- The Arabian Nights as a realm contains an infinite 3-D space with a temporal component (that being the infinite-sized Night Palace's astral plane, which allows Sonic to travel between different time points within said plane by touching the hourglasses) that is encompassed within the full scope of the Arabian Nights, with Night Palace demonstrating a marked inferiority to the totality of the Arabian Nights, merely being one realm out of 8 and something that Erazor could control without the power of the World Rings (whereas he needed multiple World Rings to significantly affect the space of the entire Nights), and a realm whose existence is tied to the continued existence of the Arabian Nights as a whole, and a realm that could be altered without affecting the entire Nights. Thus, the full scope of the Arabian Nights is a superior timeline encompassing an infinite 3-D space+time component. Moreover, due to Night Palace's temporal component being self-contained and a separate dimension of time, this means the Arabian Nights potentially contains two time axes of hierarchy.
- Sonic Prime shows that Sonic's universe is large enough to contain an entire macrocosm of universe-sized dimensions when it was shattered by the Paradox Prism, said macrocosm being separated spatially via the Void between realms. The Void has a dubious infinite size argument.
- The space in Eggman's Tower is a 4-D space via containing a tesseract, an inherent 4-D structure, so containing it makes it such by default, and this is slightly supported by a starry sky being contained as well. The tower and its space is contained within Sonic's universe, and tied to its continued existence, making Sonic's world a greater timeline.
- Because of all this, Sonic's universe is potentially a 5-D realm in scope, due to containing both a potentially infinite amount of 4-D space and a temporal component. Blaze's dimension is as well, due to the two being parallel and the collision of Blaze's universe with Sonic's being enough to obliterate both completely in Rush.
- The fact that Sonic’s world is treated as parallel to that of the Arabian Nights due to lore from Camelot means that the Nights also can hold 4-D space within itself, along with an infinite amount of volume, means that the Arabian Nights contains an infinite amount of fourth dimensional space+1 or 2 temporal components, making it 5-D to 6-D. Sonic and Blaze’s universes scale due to being parallel and equal size to each other based on Sonic Rush.
- Alternatively again, the Arabian Nights is contained within Sonic's world as a small part of it, meaning that the Nights are 4-D to 5-D, while Sonic's world and Blaze's are 4-D to 5-D or 6-D.
- The space in Eggman's Tower is a 4-D space via containing a tesseract, an inherent 4-D structure, so containing it makes it such by default, and this is slightly supported by a starry sky being contained as well. The tower and its space is contained within Sonic's universe, and tied to its continued existence, making Sonic's world a greater timeline.
- Cyber Space, which is referred to directly as the Digital Dream, is an infinite-sized macrocosm, implied to be endless and has encompassing data from two separate digital realms with their unique timeflow (Eggnet and the United Federations mainframe, both from Shadow's game). It is the collective wish, tens of thousands of years ago, for the Ancients to not be forgotten (and persists even in present day), and contains the individual dreams of multiple Ancients, each of which is Low 2-C. Eggman also states that the totality of Cyberspace is superior in scope to his own digital temporal creations. This makes it at least a 4-D realm via being massive in size compared to Low 2-C spaces. Alternatively, if the dreams within Cyberspace that are supposedly "universal" in scope are actually more akin to what actual universes in the Sonic multiverse are, along with Cyberspace as a whole stated to be a world parallel to Sonic's, it would mean Cyberspace can range from 5-D to 6-D.
- Maginaryworld, which I propose as a hypertimeline, encompasses a potentially infinite amount of dream realms. This includes the aforementioned Cyber Space, making it at minimum a 5-D realm but possibly a 6-D realm, as Maginaryworld is a superior and greater dream than any other dream in the multiverse, including a dream encompassing all of Cyberspace, as all other dreams are nigh-infinitesimal in size and scope compared to Illumina's dream of the Fourth Dimension Space, and Maginaryworld is infinitely larger than any individual dream, as 4th dimension space is infinite in scope and composed of all the dreams of the multiverse, and yet no individual dream occupies the entirety of 4th dimension space (not even the 5-D to 6-D Cyberspace). So, Maginaryworld is larger than Cyberspace, hence 6-D. However, it can also be potentially 7-D, as all dreams are contained in the infinite size Fourth Dimension Space, potentially making every dream that's not Illumina's an entire infinite spatial dimension below the full extent of Maginaryworld. Hence, 7-D.
The Egg Salamander/the Eggmen would've created a world that "transcends dimensions" going by the Japanese script of the game, making the Egg Salamander at least 5-D, as it transcends the scope of Sonic's world, a 5-D hypertimeline. The Phantom Ruby also created a potential "super-dimension", so it would also be 5-D.
- Maginaryworld by default contains a fourth dimensional space (shi-jigen uchu, four-dimensional space), and that four dimensional space has its own time component as shown by time passing within the realm and its unique set pieces, meaning that Maginaryworld would have a temporal axis on top of a 4-D infinite space, making the whole realm at least 5-D. Sonic’s universe would be 4-D via containing a four dimensional structure (not confirmed infinite) with an extra temporal component, and Blaze’s dimension would be 4-D via being an equal in scope. The Arabian Nights would be > 4-D via being far larger than an infinite size 3-D space with a temporal component.
Individual dreams: 4-D, possibly 5-D to 6-D
Cyberspace: > 4-D, possibly 5-D to 6-D
Sonic and Blaze’s world: 4-D, possibly 5-D to 6-D
Phantom Ruby/Rush Eggmanland: 4-D, possibly 5-D to 6-D
Maginaryworld: 5-7 D
White Space: Beyond everything else.
Keep in mind, this is purely discussing changes to the cosmology. Scaling can be saved for another time.
Also credit to @ShakeResounding @HenshinIntervention (no longer here but very important), and @ThatBusyDude (apparently also no longer here) for some of the scans and translations.
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus (with 5-D, skeptical about higher)
Disagree:
Neutral: Maverick_Zero_X (neutral on 6-D, sees merit in 5-D)
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