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First post, forgive me if this comes out sloppy. After going through the 4kids series and a few threads on here, some feats stuck out to me against what we categorize the turtles' non mystic forms. My question with these feats is whether their speed can be bumped to Relativistic and their tier to Multi-City Block+ if not Small Town as I feel that is the healthiest medium. I hope my reasonings for why I think these feats reach that level are acceptable. There's a bit to go over so brace yourself
For starters, speed.
14:55 to 16:15 season 1 turtles react to laser beams. Putting these lasers through our "laser determination" standards, we see that they come out in unbroken straight lines, as is the case for light. Next they reflect off Leonardo's blades, a trait unmistakable with light since light photons get blasted off metal surfaces. Another sign suggesting they're light is Stockman proclaiming to dissect the turtles. Lasers burn things so Stockman using them this way to dismember them via precise heat makes sense for light. My final point is their source. Those devices firing them can be compared to industrial laser cutters which work off real light to burn material. They produce his mouser robots and part of his facility which runs on "the latest security tech" so they should be more than legitimate. Worth noting the turtles get much faster by the show's end
0:52-1:25 and 6:05: Three of them are perception blitzed by Khan repeatedly. Blitz requires around 3x speed, correct? As the final season goes on they catch up with him in future fights until Raph can solo him. For simplicity's sake I'll just show that. This doesn't account for season 4 Leo and Karai surpassing season 1 Ch'rell who > season 1 Leo+Raph, not to mention his brothers catch up by season 5 "The Graduation" where they all pass to the next skill level as equals
In short I believe their 3-5x amp makes them relativistic+.
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Moving onto my case for their Tier, I have THREE feats that suggest 8A to maybe even Low 7C. For the video above at 2:55-3:40 they go blow for blow with creatures and the force of their collisions violently shakes multiple sections of the city including Time Square, so mag 5.5-7. Now rewind to 2:25. Michelangelo momentarily knocks one of these mutants out, so although the turtles were driven off (likely due to the cramped space nerfing their maneuverability), it's obvious their ap should scale.
This site went over the Sword Of Tengu's "village waste/castle destruction" statements so I won't get into them, tho this feat may shed new light on their context. From pinned up to 16:52, an indirect blast from the Tengu Sword attached to a cannon going haywire rocks enough of the city where it was deemed an immediate threat to its civilization. As we all know the turtles get up from being blasted full force by this sword more than once including by Utrom Shredder. Sounds multi-city block to small town
https://youtu.be/7nesTJzm0ec?si=tni2bl2g0jozWyZi&t=1033
Utrom Shredder is caught in the atomized implosion of a large building. The end of "City At War Part 3" reveals he, in fact, survived, albeit in critical condition. Considering multi city block+ comes out from a 30 feet building being vaporized a structure well over double that's atomization should come MUCH higher. However, keep in mind that while there was enough of Shredder to retain consciousness, he was in VERY bad shape, wounded where he needed to be healed back, restored. So I don't think he's exactly whatever large building atomization gets, but this should put him in that Low Nuclear range.
Overall, I think the Turtles and Utrom Shredder are rated a little low. I believe a reaction speed of MHS+, though not a bad surface level estimate, overlooks their limitations. And small building is definitely too low. They have to be higher. Please let me know if this works.
For starters, speed.
14:55 to 16:15 season 1 turtles react to laser beams. Putting these lasers through our "laser determination" standards, we see that they come out in unbroken straight lines, as is the case for light. Next they reflect off Leonardo's blades, a trait unmistakable with light since light photons get blasted off metal surfaces. Another sign suggesting they're light is Stockman proclaiming to dissect the turtles. Lasers burn things so Stockman using them this way to dismember them via precise heat makes sense for light. My final point is their source. Those devices firing them can be compared to industrial laser cutters which work off real light to burn material. They produce his mouser robots and part of his facility which runs on "the latest security tech" so they should be more than legitimate. Worth noting the turtles get much faster by the show's end
0:52-1:25 and 6:05: Three of them are perception blitzed by Khan repeatedly. Blitz requires around 3x speed, correct? As the final season goes on they catch up with him in future fights until Raph can solo him. For simplicity's sake I'll just show that. This doesn't account for season 4 Leo and Karai surpassing season 1 Ch'rell who > season 1 Leo+Raph, not to mention his brothers catch up by season 5 "The Graduation" where they all pass to the next skill level as equals
In short I believe their 3-5x amp makes them relativistic+.
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Moving onto my case for their Tier, I have THREE feats that suggest 8A to maybe even Low 7C. For the video above at 2:55-3:40 they go blow for blow with creatures and the force of their collisions violently shakes multiple sections of the city including Time Square, so mag 5.5-7. Now rewind to 2:25. Michelangelo momentarily knocks one of these mutants out, so although the turtles were driven off (likely due to the cramped space nerfing their maneuverability), it's obvious their ap should scale.
This site went over the Sword Of Tengu's "village waste/castle destruction" statements so I won't get into them, tho this feat may shed new light on their context. From pinned up to 16:52, an indirect blast from the Tengu Sword attached to a cannon going haywire rocks enough of the city where it was deemed an immediate threat to its civilization. As we all know the turtles get up from being blasted full force by this sword more than once including by Utrom Shredder. Sounds multi-city block to small town
https://youtu.be/7nesTJzm0ec?si=tni2bl2g0jozWyZi&t=1033
Utrom Shredder is caught in the atomized implosion of a large building. The end of "City At War Part 3" reveals he, in fact, survived, albeit in critical condition. Considering multi city block+ comes out from a 30 feet building being vaporized a structure well over double that's atomization should come MUCH higher. However, keep in mind that while there was enough of Shredder to retain consciousness, he was in VERY bad shape, wounded where he needed to be healed back, restored. So I don't think he's exactly whatever large building atomization gets, but this should put him in that Low Nuclear range.
Overall, I think the Turtles and Utrom Shredder are rated a little low. I believe a reaction speed of MHS+, though not a bad surface level estimate, overlooks their limitations. And small building is definitely too low. They have to be higher. Please let me know if this works.
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