True dragon god vs Semi true dragon god

[Jozaysmith?]

True Dragon Veldanava key is used vs WN Rimuru eos supreme diety key is used, who wins?

Literally God

Supreme diety

 

[CodeCCLL]

TD Veldanava can do AP one-shot that bypasses Supreme Deity Rimuru's High Godly Regeneration but some of WN Rimuru's haxes are one layer above Veldanava's resistance layers because WN Rimuru's haxes are layered above Veldanava's Power Yuuki. So I guess who first hit, wins the match.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

TD Veldanava can do AP one-shot that bypasses Supreme Deity Rimuru's High Godly Regeneration but some of WN Rimuru's haxes are one layer above Veldanava's resistance layers because WN Rimuru's haxes are layered above Veldanava's Power Yuuki. So I guess who first hit, wins the match.

What's stopping Veldanava from doing a BFR into another cycle of time

 

[Jozaysmith?]

TD Veldanava can do AP one-shot that bypasses Supreme Deity Rimuru's High Godly Regeneration but some of WN Rimuru's haxes are one layer above Veldanava's resistance layers because WN Rimuru's haxes are layered above Veldanava's Power Yuuki. So I guess who first hit, wins the match.

By the way, Veldanava have attack negation that denies any attack

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Veldanava

Rimuru's Immo 9 shouldn't be a problem with Velda's range but....

It seems Rimuru can't negate TD Veldanava's Immo 5 and Greater Resistance negation


But given TD Veldanava's speed, can he deal with WN Rimuru's Greater Time Stop? I don't see him having resistance to greater time stop on his profile.

Am neutral on this for now

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Veldanava

Rimuru's Immo 9 shouldn't be a problem with Velda's range but....

It seems Rimuru can't negate TD Veldanava's Immo 5 and Greater Resistance negation


But given TD Veldanava's speed, can he deal with WN Rimuru's Greater Time Stop? I don't see him having resistance to greater time stop on his profile.

Am neutral on this for now

The literal concept of time on CM1 level is his dog

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Hmm, after considering it more, it should be Veldanava since he has more wincons in this.
He should be able to bypass Rimuru's greater time stop with NEP

So leaning towards Veldanava

 

[MrTim]

The literal concept of time on CM1 level is his dog

Anyway Velda erases him

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Rimuru gets negged by greater EE

 

[Wikisource]

I'm slightly leaning towards Veldanava, the reason he has more 4D hax as well as his attack ability is superior to Rimuru.

 

[CodeCCLL]

What's stopping Veldanava from doing a BFR into another cycle of time

Supreme Deity Rimuru resisting BFR.

(Diablo's Temptation World - Mind BFR - / Rimuru's Predator BFR < Zero's
Subspace BFR < Chrono Saltation BFR / Beelzebub BFR)

By the way, Veldanava have attack negation that denies any attack

and resists powernull at Ultimate Skill level.

The literal concept of time on CM1 level is his dog

WN Rimuru will win if he uses the Space-Time Spell that affects layered Acausality Type 4 before Veldanava uses his own conceptual time hax.

Immo 5

We all know it doesn't matter.

Greater Resistance negation

I have no idea why he has this...

I'm slightly leaning towards Veldanava, the reason he has more 4D hax

WN Rimuru already has all these 4D haxes. It just has it on a smaller scale because the WN Cosmology is so superficial.

 

[Wikisource]

WN Rimuru already has all these 4D haxes. It just has it on a smaller scale because the WN Cosmology is so superficial

It is not exploited much

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Supreme Deity Rimuru resisting BFR.

(Diablo's Temptation World - Mind BFR - / Rimuru's Predator BFR < Zero's
Subspace BFR < Chrono Saltation BFR / Beelzebub BFR)

TD Velda has greater resistance negation

and resists powernull at Ultimate Skill level.

WN Rimuru will win if he uses the Space-Time Spell that affects layered Acausality Type 4 before Veldanava uses his own conceptual time hax.

We all know it doesn't matter.

I have no idea why he has this...

WN Rimuru already has all these 4D haxes. It just has it on a smaller scale because the WN Cosmology is so superficial.

• Greater Existence Erasure and Resistance Negation (far outscales Veldora Who's Dragon Spirit Haki could erase existence. Even Rimuru, who had resistance to existence erasure felt that his existence was beginning to crumble when he was hit by Veldora's Dragon Spirit Haki. Not to mention, other resistance like resistance to pain were deemed useless when anyone gets hit by Veldora's Dragon Spirit Haki)

This. He also has resistance to resistance negation as a US holder, could be greater but meh, WN Rimuru's resistance negation is baseline so....

• Resistance to Sleep Manipulation and Resistance Negation (Unaffected by Dino Unique Skill)

I don't see how Rimuru's dealing with Greater EE, Greater RN, and Immo 5

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Veldanava can just create a law he can't say no to

 

[CodeCCLL]

TD Velda has greater resistance negation

Resistance negation works, like all other haxes, up to where indicated in the array. If it is not shown to work on BFR, it is not assumed to work by default.

This. He also has resistance to resistance negation as a US holder, could be greater but meh, WN Rimuru's resistance negation is baseline so....

Ultimate Skill users have resistance to resistance negation which only works on sleep manipulation so it doesn't mean anything.

I don't see how Rimuru's dealing with Greater EE, Greater RN, and Immo 5

While Rimuru cannot even analyze Veldanava, Ciel will prevent Rimuru from approaching Veldanava. That's why Dragon Spirit Haki doesn't have much use here.

Also, why are we talking about Immo Type 5 when Rimuru won't even try to kill Veldanava? WN Rimuru can't analyze Veldanava, so Rimuru will be very careful with Veldanava, just like he was with Velda, an enemy he knows nothing about in the WN story.

Finally, since the OP didn't specify, I have to ask, is the speed equal? (I already assume we are at SBA)

Veldanava can just create a law he can't say no to

Even in the Psedue True Dragon key, Rimuru resists Chloe's Ultimate Skill that control Veldanava's system and he can also resist Shion's Tyrannous Lord Susanoo, who has complete control over the laws of causality in the EoS Key.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Resistance negation works, like all other haxes, up to where indicated in the array. If it is not shown to work on BFR, it is not assumed to work by default.

Ultimate Skill users have resistance to resistance negation which only works on sleep manipulation so it doesn't mean anything.

While Rimuru cannot even analyze Veldanava, Ciel will prevent Rimuru from approaching Veldanava. That's why Dragon Spirit Haki doesn't have much use here.

Also, why are we talking about Immo Type 5 when Rimuru won't even try to kill Veldanava? WN Rimuru can't analyze Veldanava, so Rimuru will be very careful with Veldanava, just like he was with Velda, an enemy he knows nothing about in the WN story.

Finally, since the OP didn't specify, I have to ask, is the speed equal? (I already assume we are at SBA)

Even in the Psedue True Dragon key, Rimuru resists Chloe's Ultimate Skill that control Veldanava's system and he can also resist Shion's Tyrannous Lord Susanoo, who has complete control over the laws of causality in the EoS Key.

Yeah, Veldanava also have resistance to that but the point is the Greater law manip, a higher system than what ultimate skill users work with

 

[CodeCCLL]

Yeah, Veldanava also have resistance to that but the point is the Greater law manip, a higher system than what ultimate skill users work with

In both LN and WN the context is the same, influencing/controlling and rewriting part of the world's laws are all different levels. The upgrades in both continuities occurred in the same way; There's no reason why WN shouldn't have grater law manipulation. Just it's a bit unnecessary.

Veldanava can just create a law he can't say no to

By the way, I see no reason for Veldanava to do this. While we don't have much idea about how Veldanava fights, it's clear that he's a pacifist in this key, so his first move will probably be BFR or Sealing, like did against Ivaraj.

 

[Tempestdragon6]

Veldanava wins this