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Let me preface by imploring everyone who will partake in this CRT to read the text completely and not jump into any preconceived conclusion
This is divided into two phases
1. Sakura at her peak does NOT cap at KCM Naruto, EMS Sasuke or Byakugo Tsunade
2. Sakura does NOT scale to Kaguya but.....
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This is divided into two phases
1. Sakura at her peak does NOT cap at KCM Naruto, EMS Sasuke or Byakugo Tsunade
2. Sakura does NOT scale to Kaguya but.....
Sakura at her peak does NOT cap at KCM Naruto, EMS Sasuke or Byakugo Tsunade
Naruto and Sasuke
Sakura capping at KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke was something I've seen come up on the general discussion thread and a few CRTs.
That notion is just wrong.
While not reflected in the profiles, I still wish to address it as the arguments against may include this.
The databook image used to justify her scaling to the guys was just her SoHS.
That in no way applies to peak Sakura (Byakugo Enhanced).
Inferring that would mean that the peak forms of Naruto (BM) and Sasuke (CBS) at that point all scale to BE Sakura. Which wasn't the point of the Databook entry.
Tsunade
Same thing with Tsunade.
The databook entry compares her power to that of Tsunade.
The Image shown was SoHS Sakura.
Not BE Sakura.
As it stands, BE Sakura doesn't cap at BE Tsunade and SoHS Sakura doesn't cap at KCM Naruto or EMS Sasuke.
Instead, SHS Sakura will now scale to BE Tsunade at least.
Which will lead to KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke scaling to her.
Looking at the values, it'll be an upgrade for Naruto and Sasuke.
BE Sakura is now unquantifiably stronger than that. For now.
Naruto and Sasuke
Sakura capping at KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke was something I've seen come up on the general discussion thread and a few CRTs.
That notion is just wrong.
While not reflected in the profiles, I still wish to address it as the arguments against may include this.
The databook image used to justify her scaling to the guys was just her SoHS.
That in no way applies to peak Sakura (Byakugo Enhanced).
Inferring that would mean that the peak forms of Naruto (BM) and Sasuke (CBS) at that point all scale to BE Sakura. Which wasn't the point of the Databook entry.
Tsunade
Same thing with Tsunade.
The databook entry compares her power to that of Tsunade.
The Image shown was SoHS Sakura.
Not BE Sakura.
As it stands, BE Sakura doesn't cap at BE Tsunade and SoHS Sakura doesn't cap at KCM Naruto or EMS Sasuke.
Instead, SHS Sakura will now scale to BE Tsunade at least.
Which will lead to KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke scaling to her.
Looking at the values, it'll be an upgrade for Naruto and Sasuke.
BE Sakura is now unquantifiably stronger than that. For now.
Sakura does NOT scale to Kaguya but.....
I'm going to preface this by saying loud and clear that I'M NOT SCALING SAKURA TO KAGUYA'S DURABILITY. THE VALUES MIGHT BE CLOSE BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SHE SCALES TO KAGUYA.
Just in case people get the wrong opinion.
We all know the infamous feat of Sakura breaking Kaguya's horn.
I'll first have to find the durability of the horn.
Let's go back a few chapters to Guy vs Madara.
Guy attacks Madara with the first step of Sekizo and breaks off Madara's horn.
That wasn't the case when he started landing the barrages and Madara was prepared for him
In fact, he hit Madara in the face like twice and the horn was intact.
Kaguya, at the very least, should have her horns be as durable as Madara's.
Sakura breaks her horns.
Meaning Sakura scales at least relative, if not superior to Sekizo.
"But you said earlier that SoHS Sakura is on par with Tsunade. Doesn't that result in a circular scaling? Besides, why was Sakura not at the forefront of the Juubito fight if she's orders of magnitude stronger than the main fighters then?"
All valid concerns.
My saving grace will be to show that Sakura somehow got stronger between the Juubi fight and the Juubidara fight.
There's this thing called resolve (or determination). Inverse, there are cases where characters perform feats greater than what they've been shown to do before as a result of having a resolve to do something.
I'm sure that if I skim through the 700 chapters of the story, I can find a few dozen instances where this is the case but I'm only going to use one instance from this same arc to show what I mean.
When Team 7 and Obito were transported to the gravity dimension, all of them were incapacitated to an extent. Even Kaguya was not an exception to the weight.
Yet, Kakashi and Obito were not just able to move alone. They could jump and run (albeit with difficulty) in that same dimension where the six paths characters were immobilized.
There wasn't any direct explanation for this feat but Kakashi then tells Obito that they've resolved to protect Naruto and Sasuke.
Since there's no shown powerups, one can only infer that it was their strong resolve to protect nard and sauce that allowed them to perform such feats.
How does this relate to Sakura?
Pages 144 to 145 in Naruto Databook 4 is all about Sakura's resolve and determination not to fall behind her teammates.
The heading quite literally says:
"One next to the other to the extreme of determination— the backs of trustworthy friends"
That's all from me regarding this section.
Supporting Feats/Statements
1. She has at least 1/2 of SPSM Naruto in chakra reserves.
A lot of you probably know this meta but I'll summarize it.
Obito was certain that Naruto's clone (he only had one clone out at the time) would not have enough chakra to be able to sustain dimension hopping with Kamui.
Yet Sakura was able to sustain opening portals, thrice.
2. Madara didn't think he needed limbo to defend against Sekizo. (Yes, he was trying to defend himself. Just didn't use limbo which is nigh invulnerable to physical hits)
Yet, when Sakura came charging at him, he opted to intercept her attack with limbo.
These 2 supports on their own may not amount to much but when combined with the Kaguya feat gives us an idea on how strong the author intended Sakura to be at EoS.
@MinatoSparkle summarizes my points this way (He probably doesn't remember saying this)
I'm going to preface this by saying loud and clear that I'M NOT SCALING SAKURA TO KAGUYA'S DURABILITY. THE VALUES MIGHT BE CLOSE BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SHE SCALES TO KAGUYA.
Just in case people get the wrong opinion.
We all know the infamous feat of Sakura breaking Kaguya's horn.
I'll first have to find the durability of the horn.
Let's go back a few chapters to Guy vs Madara.
Guy attacks Madara with the first step of Sekizo and breaks off Madara's horn.
That wasn't the case when he started landing the barrages and Madara was prepared for him
In fact, he hit Madara in the face like twice and the horn was intact.
Kaguya, at the very least, should have her horns be as durable as Madara's.
Sakura breaks her horns.
Meaning Sakura scales at least relative, if not superior to Sekizo.
"But you said earlier that SoHS Sakura is on par with Tsunade. Doesn't that result in a circular scaling? Besides, why was Sakura not at the forefront of the Juubito fight if she's orders of magnitude stronger than the main fighters then?"
All valid concerns.
My saving grace will be to show that Sakura somehow got stronger between the Juubi fight and the Juubidara fight.
There's this thing called resolve (or determination). Inverse, there are cases where characters perform feats greater than what they've been shown to do before as a result of having a resolve to do something.
I'm sure that if I skim through the 700 chapters of the story, I can find a few dozen instances where this is the case but I'm only going to use one instance from this same arc to show what I mean.
When Team 7 and Obito were transported to the gravity dimension, all of them were incapacitated to an extent. Even Kaguya was not an exception to the weight.
Yet, Kakashi and Obito were not just able to move alone. They could jump and run (albeit with difficulty) in that same dimension where the six paths characters were immobilized.
There wasn't any direct explanation for this feat but Kakashi then tells Obito that they've resolved to protect Naruto and Sasuke.
Since there's no shown powerups, one can only infer that it was their strong resolve to protect nard and sauce that allowed them to perform such feats.
How does this relate to Sakura?
Pages 144 to 145 in Naruto Databook 4 is all about Sakura's resolve and determination not to fall behind her teammates.
The heading quite literally says:
"One next to the other to the extreme of determination— the backs of trustworthy friends"
That's all from me regarding this section.
Supporting Feats/Statements
1. She has at least 1/2 of SPSM Naruto in chakra reserves.
A lot of you probably know this meta but I'll summarize it.
Obito was certain that Naruto's clone (he only had one clone out at the time) would not have enough chakra to be able to sustain dimension hopping with Kamui.
Yet Sakura was able to sustain opening portals, thrice.
2. Madara didn't think he needed limbo to defend against Sekizo. (Yes, he was trying to defend himself. Just didn't use limbo which is nigh invulnerable to physical hits)
Yet, when Sakura came charging at him, he opted to intercept her attack with limbo.
These 2 supports on their own may not amount to much but when combined with the Kaguya feat gives us an idea on how strong the author intended Sakura to be at EoS.
@MinatoSparkle summarizes my points this way (He probably doesn't remember saying this)
I don't see any problem with putting her at that level for the Sakura thing.
She has multiple statements and narratives backing her up to put her at KCM tier just from getting her Byakugou Mark. The 4th Databook has an entire page dedicated to telling us she isn't weak and is relative to the two, and The Last databook reiterates the same.
You may think that's inconsistent, but the feats she does solidify it:
She believes she can supply Obito with more chakra than what he thought a clone of Naruto could give him, and she goes on to do just that.
And that's a big deal, seeing as that specific clone was the single one Naruto made before fighting Kaguya, so it should logically have half of Naruto's entire chakra reserves.
Sakura having that much chakra is significant because her whole fighting style utilizes her maximum amount of chakra in each punch.
So if she can produce as much chakra as Naruto while having some to spare (seeing as the mark did not disappear), she should logically be able to attack with the same strength. And the next feat shows just that.
After that, she punches Kaguya hard enough to leave a bruise and break off one of her horns.
While non-canon, Sakura was obviously trading blows with Kaguya like Naruto and Sasuke were to prove her relevancy even in the storm games.
She can react briefly to Bunny Kaguya's arms that Naruto explicitly calls fast and warns Sasuke about.
In The Last, Sakura can refill Naruto's chakra reserves after pumping chakra into him for 3 days straight.
I believe Sakura should very much scale to Naruto and Sasuke, at least in their teenage forms. She has way too much proof to refute it simply because she doesn't jump into every conflict (She's primarily a doctor, and if both her and Sasuke die, Sarada would be an orphan, lol)
Phase 1
SoHS Sakura, KCM 1.5 and EMS Sasuke all scale to Tsunade [15ish Gigatons]
Phase 2
Sakura gets an extra key and now scales to Sekizo [44ish Exatons]
SoHS Sakura, KCM 1.5 and EMS Sasuke all scale to Tsunade [15ish Gigatons]
Phase 2
Sakura gets an extra key and now scales to Sekizo [44ish Exatons]
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