Guacamolefletcher
Username Only- 1,815
- 2,031
L List. Full power Ichigo > Yhwach in AP! Also CFYOW Kenpachi > Muken Aizen and Ginjo > Ichibei and the cleaner at his peak.
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
- Thread starter Zoro21043
- Start date
- 2,954
- 1,440
- 17,052
- 22,936
PSK, SK Yhwach, True Bankai and above Ichigo, Muken Aizen, emotion amped Bankai Ginjo, Res Hikone, SK fragment absorbed Iko, and CFYOW Zaraki are all kinda in similar tiers. I think an inoffensive list would go sumn like this for AP (only gonna count the characters strongest):
1. PSK (transcended everything)
2. True Zangetsu Ichigo (one shot Yhwach, his peak form)
3. Emotion amped Bankai Ginjo (his Getsuga = Ichigo’s Getsuga which killed Yhwach)
4. SK Yhwach (doesn’t really need explanation, contested TB Ichigo)
5. CFYOW Shikai/Bankai Zaraki (one shot Iko)
6. SK fragment absorbed Ikomikidomoe (stronger than Hikone)
7. Res Hikone (as strong if not stronger than Aizen)
8. Muken Aizen (poster boy for transcendent characters, briefly held his own against Yhwach)
9. Unsealed Ichibe (he’s just going to be stronger than Shutara)
10. Unsealed Squad 0 (shook the universe, surpassed the entire Gotei 13, anime glorped them up)
I think you could put amped Ginjo below Yhwach if you think Yhwach only got injured because he was “off guard” albeit I don’t exactly believe that myself, and I think you can argue that SK Yhwach = PSK, and as such Ichigo would be the strongest.
1. PSK (transcended everything)
2. True Zangetsu Ichigo (one shot Yhwach, his peak form)
3. Emotion amped Bankai Ginjo (his Getsuga = Ichigo’s Getsuga which killed Yhwach)
4. SK Yhwach (doesn’t really need explanation, contested TB Ichigo)
5. CFYOW Shikai/Bankai Zaraki (one shot Iko)
6. SK fragment absorbed Ikomikidomoe (stronger than Hikone)
7. Res Hikone (as strong if not stronger than Aizen)
8. Muken Aizen (poster boy for transcendent characters, briefly held his own against Yhwach)
9. Unsealed Ichibe (he’s just going to be stronger than Shutara)
10. Unsealed Squad 0 (shook the universe, surpassed the entire Gotei 13, anime glorped them up)
I think you could put amped Ginjo below Yhwach if you think Yhwach only got injured because he was “off guard” albeit I don’t exactly believe that myself, and I think you can argue that SK Yhwach = PSK, and as such Ichigo would be the strongest.
Twisted_Little_Raven
She/Her- 3,072
- 1,703
Cleaner wanked shouldn't be above full power Senjumaru. The only Aizen maybe above them is butterfly Aizen prior forms are too speculation
- 4,606
- 2,944
Yamamoto seems like fodder to me.
- 2,954
- 1,440
In spafwy Kenny destroyed with kendo
Bastolan27
He/Him- 867
- 825
^
Ginjo is the GOAT. I'll reread anything that involves Ginjo to update his profile. Although, I would rank Aizen above Hikone and equal to Zaraki.
- 4,606
- 2,944
It still seems like fodder to me.
- 11,169
- 2,958
I couldn't see it easily.
Guacamolefletcher
Username Only- 1,815
- 2,031
absurd commedy
- 2,954
- 1,440
Ever thought about doing stand up comedy?
- 11,169
- 2,958
I wish the Fullbringers get more involved in the Hell Arc and get new forms like Shinigami having Bankai, and Hollowfication. Quincies Vollstandig, and Arrancars Ressurection, etc. What would you call the transformation technique? ex: bankai, vollstandig, ressurection.
- 17,052
- 22,936
Another day, another Reio coping over Arc’s CFYOW scale. Do you think Res Hikone is ~WSK level.
- 4,606
- 2,944
Will I have a comedy partner?
- 2,954
- 1,440
Below actually I have him around S0 tier
- 17,052
- 22,936
I guess let me reword it, do you think Res Hikone is in the same general league as the WSK or do you think WSK tier would one shot Res Hikone?
Bastolan27
He/Him- 867
- 825
Well, I guess Aizen is S0 Tier, since after all, Aizen has to be serious to fight Hikone. Let's downgrade his profile from 3-C to 4-A.
- 2,954
- 1,440
Ik you think aizen surpassed WSK but he actually didn't. The databook just says aizen surpassed the state of God and not wsk in particular. Wsk gave almighty yhwach such a massive Amp to the point yhwach was overwhelmed by his power. Tho muken aizen be on wsk level or around it.
That being said no hikone gets washed by wsk
Last edited:
- 863
- 844
Minor error,get him.
Guacamolefletcher
Username Only- 1,815
- 2,031
Aizen in his 4th fusion form objectively reaches the level of the WSK
Twisted_Little_Raven
She/Her- 3,072
- 1,703
I personally don't buy that statement seems like exaggeration and we didn't even know what level wsk was during it. Just typical hyperbole. It also could just be like a state of existence in comparison to everyone else nothing says it's wsk
- 17,052
- 22,936
“Have you considered stand up comedy?”
1) that last sentence doesn’t make sense? Did you mean to say Hikone gets washed by WSK?
2) So with Yhwach absorbing WSK, it’s not like his body couldn’t contain that power. Yhwach has to contain his own power at that time (which he states is stronger than WSK) and then has to add WSK on top of that. Meaning that Yhwach couldn’t handle the addition of his power + WSK. Which isn’t the same as saying he cannot handle WSK’s power. That’s just a blatant misunderstanding of what’s going on.
3) Your scaling takes get worse each time
Guacamolefletcher
Username Only- 1,815
- 2,031
All Imma say is Soi Fon says "I can't feel the Soul King's reiatsu anymore!!!!" and Kisuke couldn't sense 2nd fusion Aizen
Guacamolefletcher
Username Only- 1,815
- 2,031
Blatant context missed
It's just objective that he scales to the Reio in 4th and 5th > Reio
Bastolan27
He/Him- 867
- 825
All I'm gonna say is that the WSK is objectively well below TS Ichigo, and we currently accept that Dangai/Mugetsu is around True Shikai. Third Fusion Aizen being WKS level is consistent.
Twisted_Little_Raven
She/Her- 3,072
- 1,703
2nd fusion Aizen was getting his armor destroyed by characters he's ridiculously above. You're probably gunna be like "its just his shell" right so the only reason the real Aizen didn't get damaged is because of said shell protecting him. Then Gin goes on pierce through him (but muh off guard and muh lowering myself). Plus his shell should be superior to his regular durability since is also the case with animals in the wild where they are softer underneath. Shown with Gin
Twisted_Little_Raven
She/Her- 3,072
- 1,703
No because TS Ichigo is superior to or =mugetsu who is superior to dangai, who is superior to monster Aizen who is superior to butterfly.
No where near consistent for third fusion
Guacamolefletcher
Username Only- 1,815
- 2,031
We can debate this Raven
- 17,052
- 22,936
1) the shell durability scales below Aizen, the databooks verbatim state that Isshin’s Getsuga did 0 damage to Aizen despite breaking the shell, ik you girlboss about the databooks being wrong, but that means nothing
2) Aizen when going through Karakura Town had lowered his power level so much that people like Tatsuki could sense him. Meaning he had nerfed himself to be below Condom Aizen. So Gin stabbing him isn’t an antifeat.
You summarized the counters to your argument and attempted to paint them out as “bad arguments” or “copes” when all you did was show that your interpretation is dookie and you have no ground to stand upon.
Yall should vc debate it, that would be peak comedy.
Bastolan27
He/Him- 867
- 825
True Shikai Ichigo one-shotted the WSK with a weak ahh attack. By the way, I confused Third Fusion with Butterfly, so yeah, that scaling chain doesn't look like a reach to me.
Twisted_Little_Raven
She/Her- 3,072
- 1,703
Because it was protecting him
This is just cope. Aizen's shell > his normal durability
- 17,052
- 22,936
Neither of those address nor defeat my arguments you bulverist. Your argument is defeated by hitchen’s razor. Your stance just also isn’t consistent whatsoever. Aizen was so much stronger than Isshin that he couldn’t sense Aizen’s power. No sell gaps in Bleach are less than the gap between Aizen and Isshin. Furthermore, once Aizen decided to stop playing with the Bleach Sannin he no diffs them all. The only way your claim works is if you think Isshin is relative to Condom Aizen, which is blatantly refuted in every piece of media involving Bleach.Because it was protecting him
This is just cope. Aizen's shell > his normal durability
Also, I assume you’re bringing these up in refutation to the WSK level Aizen stuff. But no one thinks Aizen is WSK level until he gets to Fourth Fusion. So truly I’m confused at what you’re trying to get at it with these booty cheeks takes.
Twisted_Little_Raven
She/Her- 3,072
- 1,703
You know he only got serious when it got destroyed right almost like that's the only time he was vulnerable. Plus again it protected him from being harmed
Wtf is that
He got serious when they dmged enough of his shell because they posed a threat. Isn't it convenient that when his shield was up and healthy he no sold everything? Why is it conveniently when his armor is jeopardized he goes all out and then later we see gin pierce him hmmmmmmmmmm
His armor was already taking cracks before that he's just exploiting the already done damage. He literally got combo attacked with cracks already in the shell. He's above them but he's still not a transcendent being so the gap isn't so high they can't damage. Can't sense =\= can't damage
Nah u have said plenty he was wsk level
- 2,954
- 1,440
Nah aizen behind the shell is on a higher plane isshin stated it didn't even feel like he cutt aizen. Gin only hurt aizen cuz he's aizen lowered himself back to 3DBecause it was protecting him
This is just cope. Aizen's shell > his normal durability
- 17,052
- 22,936
Aizen wasn't at all harmed by the attack, so no he wasn't vulnerable. Implying that despite cracking the shell, Isshin wasn't actually capable of harming Aizen's true form, inherently meaning Aizen's true form is above the shell. This is supported by the fact that all of the Bleach Sannin's attacks were in vain, which means they didn't do anything to Aizen.
Google it
The scans I provided just refute this headcanon.
No I haven't. I only ever claimed that Fourth Fusion was WSK level, as per what's on his profile. Since Aizen's scaling on wiki is my scaling. You're blatantly dishonest. Point out when I said Second or Third fusion Aizen was WSK level?
Raven is a confirmed Reio35 victim.
