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- The topic of wizard levels has been discussed many times, but I have not seen that we have come to a unanimous conclusion regarding the feats that I will give below. I also disagree with the level of some of the characters from Harry Potter, but this will also be discussed below. If there has not yet been a decision to separate the Harry Potter films and books, then I think this is a great way to raise the level of wizards.
Let's start with Voldemort. We know that he easily destroyed the shield of Hogwarts, but nevertheless, he has the level of just a city block. This is very strange considering:
1) That previously the same Shield could not be destroyed by hundreds of Death eaters who are a level above Wormtail, who blew up the street (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X34HPAxlyd8)
2) If we clarify the fact that the Hogwarts teachers who created this Shield are compared higher than the Aurors who stopped the Grindelwald flame, then the Shield level should obviously be higher than the level of the Grindelwald flame (Since Grindelwald calmly defeated many Aurors alone, and Hogwarts teachers successfully fought Voldemort in a duel.)
3) Have you forgotten that Voldemort had an Elder Wand during the destruction of the Hogwarts Shield? So, she completely disobeyed him, because at that moment she belonged to Harry Potter, but nevertheless Tom was able to destroy the Shield, which suggests that at full strength he can do much more than he showed, despite the fact that at that time he was deprived of more than half of his horcruxes, which weaken him, as he loses part of his soul and the power of magic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek5qMsXHtU8)
And I don't understand why Grindelwald has a higher level than Voldemort, who is said to be the most dangerous dark wizard of all time. And you don't need to come up with the idea that he is the most dangerous just because he has horcruxes. There is absolutely nothing written about this in the books, so we cannot say that this indication completely depends on the existence of Tom's horcruxes:
The name of Grindelwald is justly famous: In a list of Most Dangerous Dark Wizards of All Time, he would miss out on the top spot only because You-Know-Who arrived, a generation later, to steal his crown. As Grindelwald never extended his campaign of terror to Britain, however, the details of his rise to power are not widely known here.
Now Credence.
'So, in the second part of Fantastic Beasts, we were shown how Credence destroys the mountainside with a spell. But if we read the script for this film, we will see that it does not destroy the mountainside, but cuts the mountain in half in principle (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:U_1LPPCHdX0.jpg). this is firstly.
Oh, and yes, as you can see, in the finale of the second part of Fantastic Beasts, Credence only demonstrates his potential power, that is, he only trains in mastering his abilities immediately after he finds out that he is from Dumbledores. It is written that from this moment on, he will finally be able to control the power of the Obscur and direct it in the right direction and direction, which makes us understand that he can control his power to an indefinite extent, but what he showed in the screenshot is clearly not the peak of his level.
Secondly, Credence demonstrates the ability to create seismic waves in a duel against Dumbledore. Let me remind you that seismic waves are extremely destructive forces that are manifested by tremors inside mountains and tectonic plates. And, obviously, to create such waves, an appropriate force is required. This is not a simple explosive wave, for example, from a grenade, and not a simple sound wave, but a seismic one, more powerful (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:Gfq4dI6JpnI.jpg).
Should I remind you that at the time of the duel, Credence did not hold back at all? He was ready to destroy the city, but wanted to kill Dumbledore because he believed (according to Grindelwald) that Dumbledore had betrayed him.
based on the above, in my opinion, it is necessary to increase the level of Credence from the quarterly to the level of the city or mountain, depending on if you accept proofs.
And I do not know if Credence differs in any high power from, for example, statistical wizards like Ron Weasley, because he only owns an Obscur - an uncontrollable force that was not revealed in time. In fact, absolutely any child who has not demonstrated his magical power and has not attended a school of witchcraft can become such a powerful wizard. Yet, he differs from other Obscure in that he lived much longer than usual, but this is not an indicator of any increased destructive potential.
It's the turn of Dumbledore's undiscovered feat, in which he creates an exact replica of Berlin in a mirror dimension (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:MpMd8-QBXzc.jpg).
I was told that this is just Hax and is not an energy potential, but I don't understand why, because creating something requires a certain amount of energy, and magic in the world of Harry Potter is closely related to the energy system. So I'm inclined to raise Dumbledore's level to the city.
Now let's move on to the indirect sources of Harry Potter, who also flashed some powerful exploits. The well-known explosion of Vesuvius (https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Mount_Vesuvius), which was made with the help of a dance spell by a random dark wizard, makes you think about the limited power of spells. Therefore, from now on, we will slowly summarize this post;
Archibald Alderton unintentionally busted a small town;
Dedalus Diggle caused a meteor shower in the first book and a random wizard in Book of Spells created a tornado to disperse a storm;
And finally, the most interesting thing that I have collected is how the Moon Lovegood affects Pluto.
She has already shown super-powerful abilities for magic. I do not know if this has been discussed on forums before, but in the Order of the Phoenix, in the Department of Mysteries, in one of the rooms, most likely pocket dimensions, where there was zero gravity and all the signs of space, she blew up Pluto in Death Eater. Of course, I cannot 100% say that it was not a small layout planet, but we just can't do anything find in the text.
“I think her ankle’s broken, I heard something crack,” whispered
Luna, who was bending over her and who alone seemed to be unhurt.
“Four of them chased us into a dark room full of planets, it was a very
odd place, some of the time we were just floating in the dark —”
“Harry, we saw Uranus up close!” said Ron, still giggling feebly.
“Get it, Harry? We saw Uranus — ha ha ha —”
A bubble of blood grew at the corner of Ron’s mouth and burst.
“Anyway, one of them grabbed Ginny’s foot, I used the Reductor
Curse and blew up Pluto in his face, but . . .”
So, summing up, I would like to say that in fact wizards have a very powerful and high level, because they are basically not limited by physical conventions (such as, for example, physical laws, they can create something out of nothing). The problem is that most of them just don't want to destroy so many lives, after all, wizards are similar to Muggles in that they have humanity and feelings of compassion and conscience (with the possible exception of Voldemort, but he was obsessed with Harry Potter).
But if we do not take the plot conventions, which just limit wizards in terms of destructive potential and level in general, then we need to raise their level to an indefinite one. I will be glad if we discuss what to do about it.
· Upgrading the level of Dumbledore and Voldemort to the level of Grindelwald and higher;
Agree (8): Dweller_Of_Dreams LightMoonWizard Lord_Farquaad69420 Cropfist Jason_Courne Mr._Bambu InfiniteDay DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
Neutral (1): Jamesthetaker
· Upgrading the Credence level to the level of the city and possibly the mountain;
Agree (3): LightMoonWizard Cropfist Jason_Courne (level of city)
Disagree (5): Dweller_Of_Dreams Jamesthetaker Mr._Bambu (the level of a small town at best) InfiniteDay DarkDragonMedeus
Neutral (1): Lord_Farquaad69420
· Upgrade the levels of Dumbledore, Grindelwald and Voldemort to the mountain level
Agree (3): LightMoonWizard Cropfist Lord_Farquaad69420
Disagree (5): Mr._Bambu (the level of a small town at best) Dweller_Of_Dreams InfiniteDay Jamesthetaker DarkDragonMedeus
Neutral:
· Adding a postscript to the basic wizard levels is possible a level higher with unconventional and random use of powerful spell forms such as Dancing Feet Spell or Alderton's feat level;
Agree (7): Dweller_Of_Dreams LightMoonWizard Lord_Farquaad69420 (but shouldn't be combat applicable) Cropfist Jason_Courne (creation energy) Mr._Bambu InfiniteDay DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
Neutral (1): Jamesthetaker
· Upgrade Dumbledore's level with the addition of 7-B with a creation spell;
Agree (4): Jamesthetaker LightMoonWizard Cropfist Jason_Courne
Disagree (4): Dweller_Of_Dreams Mr._Bambu InfiniteDay DarkDragonMedeus
Neutral (1): Lord_Farquaad69420
· Increasing the range of spells from tens to hundreds of kilometers and increasing the effect of teleportation to several thousand kilometers with the help of portkeys, distortion of space-time using Apparition;
Agree (8): Dweller_Of_Dreams Jamesthetaker LightMoonWizard Lord_Farquaad69420 Cropfist Jason_Courne Mr._Bambu (portkeys only) InfiniteDay (portkeys only) DarkDragonMedeus (portkeys only)
Disagree:
Neutral:
· Creating and manipulating pocket dimensions;
Agree (8): Dweller_Of_Dreams Jamesthetaker LightMoonWizard Lord_Farquaad69420 (but neutral if its usable for a/p) Cropfist Jason_Courne (creation feats) Mr._Bambu InfiniteDay DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
Neutral:
· The relationship between physical characteristics and magical power;
Agree (4): LightMoonWizard (probably not for the book versions) Lord_Farquaad69420 (agree on the movie, disagree on books) Cropfist
Disagree (2): Dweller_Of_Dreams Jamesthetaker
Neutral (4): Jason_Courne Mr._Bambu InfiniteDay DarkDragonMedeus
· Scaling spells on top of each other and controlling their power;
Agree (6): LightMoonWizard Cropfist Jason_Courne Mr._Bambu InfiniteDay DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree (2): Dweller_Of_Dreams Lord_Farquaad69420
Neutral (2): Jamesthetaker Mr._Bambu
· Upgrading the physical characteristics of Albus to the Credence level;
Agree (1): Cropfist
Disagree (6): Dweller_Of_Dreams Jamesthetaker Lord_Farquaad69420 Mr._Bambu InfiniteDay DarkDragonMedeus
Neutral (2): LightMoonWizard Jason_Courne
· Adding to wizards is the ability to absorb each other's life forces when spells collide;
Agree (3): LightMoonWizard Cropfist Jason_Courne (Avada Kedavra)
Disagree (2): Dweller_Of_Dreams Lord_Farquaad69420
Neutral (4): Jamesthetaker Mr._Bambu InfiniteDay DarkDragonMedeus
· A small upgrade of the wizards level with the help of the feat of creating a tornado that scattered a thundercloud;
Agree (3): LightMoonWizard Lord_Farquaad69420 (but only for environmental destruction) Cropfist
Disagree (4): Dweller_Of_Dreams Mr._Bambu (non-canon) InfiniteDay DarkDragonMedeus
Neutral (2): Jamesthetaker Jason_Courne
· Scaling Obscure's Power to the rest of the Wizards;
Agree (8): Jamesthetaker LightMoonWizard Dweller_Of_Dreams (scaling of shields) Lord_Farquaad69420 Cropfist Jason_Courne (scaling of shields) Mr._Bambu (scaling with Dumbledore) InfiniteDay DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
Neutral:
Well, I can write explanations specifically for everyone to make it easier to evaluate:
1. It has been repeatedly claimed that Voldemort is the most dangerous wizard and Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald in a legendary duel.
2. Credence gets this level because in the script he showed the level of destruction of the mountain
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3. There is a spell that can lift a mountain out of the ground, bringing it down on the enemy. But since it has been demonstrated once, it cannot be used by other wizards. However, the duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald has been described as the largest and most legendary among all the others, and obviously among the duel in which the mountain shift spell was used, so the magic of Dumbledore, Grindelwald and Voldemort must be at this level or perhaps higher.
4. Feats from canonical sources were demonstrated in which wizards accidentally or unconventionally used such forms of spells that led to powerful destructive consequences, but it cannot be argued that any other wizard possesses such magic, because Harry Potter is a limited energy system.
5. Dumbledore created a copy of Berlin in the third part of Fantastic Beasts
6. Spells that extend over a huge impact radius (meteor shower, creating copies of cities, creating mists over cities, etc.) have been demonstrated many times. Teleportation allows you to distort space-time in order to instantly move on an urban scale, and portkeys enhance this effect, allowing you to instantly move across continents.
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7. Wizards are taught an expansion spell that allows them to expand the space inside objects so that it remains unchanged from the outside (Hermione's purse, Newt's suitcase). Dumbledore and Grindelwald also created a pocket dimension where time was stopped to conduct a duel.
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Extension Charms | Wizarding World
Hogwarts school trunks, like the majority of wizarding luggage, are issued with capacity enhancing or Extension Charms as standard. These spells not only increase the interior dimensions of objects, while leaving the outer ones unchanged, they also render the contents lighter.
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8. We see that in the verse, the power of magic in most cases depends on the power of the wizard (Hagrid ignores some spells and scatters crowds of wizards, it is indicated that he does this with his great power and at the same time uses powerful non-verbal forms of spells, although he is not considered an outstanding student, since he was excluded in the initial courses). Credence is also a good example.
9. Some spells that are tuned to Hax can have destructive power and are controlled by wizards. Expelliarmus is demonstrated as Hax, which allows you to take away a magic wand from a wizard, but if the wizard wants, then a powerful impulse can occur when the spell is struck, which either pushes the wizard against the wall (example with Snape) or destroys the entire ceiling (example with Harry). There are many such examples, but I have given the most obvious one. Moreover, magic comes from spells alone and therefore electrical devices do not work at Hogwarts, since there is a huge accumulation of magical energy there.
Spells and magic come from the same astral matter, so why not scale them on top of each other? This is perfectly legal, because wizards can create their own spells. And yes, by the way, I will give you an example below of how the energy of magic from DIFFERENT spells overlaps ordinary energy and electric fields, which does not allow the use of electronic devices, for example, at Hogwarts. I think this quite obviously hints at the fact that the energy of magic in Harry Potter is one and it is quite possible to scale it:
“All those substitutes for magic Muggles use — electricity, computers, and radar, and all those things — they all go haywire around Hogwarts, there’s too much magic in the air. No, Rita’s using magic to eavesdrop, she must be. . . . If I could just find out what it is . . . ooh, if it’s illegal, I’ll have her . . .”
10. In the duel, Albus calmly fights with Credence at kinetic speed (physically fights with him on equal terms) in such a way that shock waves spread around them, which destroy the earth and glass. At the same time, Cridens controls the Obscurus and uses it to attack. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:FANTASTIC_BEASTS_(2022)_Credence_vs_Albus_Dumbledore_fight_Scene_-_YouTube_и_еще_54_страницы_—_Личный_Microsoft_Edge_2024-02-25_02-01-13.mp4
11. In the script for the third part of Fantastic Beasts, it was indicated that when Dumbledore and Grindelwald's wands collided, they began to absorb each other's powers. A similar effect was also demonstrated by Voldemort when Ginny began communicating with him through Riddle's Diary.
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13. Many wizards were in the battle against Obscurus and could influence him through attack (the Aurors blew him up in the first part of Fantastic Beasts) and when Credence cut Newt's shields with his magic.
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