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This CRT will heavily be focused on upscales regarding Professor Paradox's speed.

1. Professor Paradox has immeasurable attack speed.

Professor Paradox could effortlessly disarm Colonum Rozum before he even arrived. How does this relate to immeasurable speed? An example of immeasurable speed is quoted as followed.
'They can dodge an attack that already has been struck, and they can strike someone even before they launched an attack. And they can do all of this via sheer speed.'
Paradox was able to disarm(attack) Colonum Rozum before he even arrived(to launch an attack).

"Isn't this feat an outlier due to Professor Paradox being comparable to Eon?" Some of you might be asking. Yes, Paradox has fought(1) Eon on 2 occasions(2) and was shown to be realistically comparable to him. But I'd argue that Paradox was specifically holding back to maintain the timeloop holding Maltruant due to Eon's involvement in the Time War like getting the Timebeast eggs to take Maltruant to the beginning of time or helping him escape from Ben and Rook. Eon played a role in the Time War and defeating him permanently would likely had altered events that would've prevented the outcome resulting in the events Maltruant's time loop. Paradox even knew Eon would escape from the cuffs Ben 10K placed on him and let him escape. I say let him escape due to there being nowhere throughout space and time where Eon can hide from Paradox due to him being able to perceive all timelines and alternate dimensions but didn't because Eon would later help Maltruant escape and help Vilgax with the Cronosapien Timebomb to destroy the multiverse and help Prime Ben get the Omnitrix.

Paradox had seen this time loop play out multiple times now up to the point where he can predict future outcomes of the show like warning Ben and the others about Sir George and the Dagon, telling Kevin to 'remember who his true friends are as' a hint towards him mutating into Ultimate Kevin and turning on Ben and Gwen, warns Ben not to lean against the Chrono Randomization Barrier but knows he won't listen and do it anyway, he even knew exactly when Ben and Rook needed help and what they needed(Timebeast egg) to stop Maltruant, etc. There are even rules that dictate exactly how Paradox is allowed to interfere as most likely part of the Multiverse Preservation Act. Paradox even makes sure certain events do/don't happen that would 'garble up' the Timeline, showing us that he plans these things through extremely well.

'Couldn't Paradox just had frozen time or time traveled to get the gun from Rozum?'
Paradox has frozen time to the point were everything is still to him but this feat required him using the Chrononavigator to do it and he didn't use it here. So it's unlikely he froze time and to do it he would have ultimately have to had arrived to take it rather than taking it before he arrived. Also unlikely he time traveled as traveling back in time would've meant that he had arrived before and would now be 'rearriving' rather than 'arrive'. Paradox wouldn't lie as it's against his character.

Agree:@Qawsedf234(with MFTL+) @Firestorm808 @Hellformer @zaraus @OMNIVERSAL-KING Ednaxel2 @REX9097
Disagree:
Neural:

2. Professor Paradox has infinite/immeasurable travel speed.

Let's cover infinite speed first before attempting to argue for immeasurable speed.
○ Infinite speed:
'Infinite Speed (Able to travel any finite distance in zero time, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below)'
'For more information, Infinite speed characters are so fast, they move faster than time can flow at any period. They perceive every finite speed character as completely frozen and it takes 0 time to react to any finite speed object or travel finite speed distance. They can also perform an infinite number of actions or travel infinite distance within a finite amount of time. An infinite speed character's perception of time only flows when they allow it to flow.'


Paradox could move at instantaneous speeds as shown here. Moving so fast that he was virtually teleporting. Note that this isn't not teleportation as Paradox is usually engulfed by a large white/blue light and he also confirms that he's doing this based off speed.
Ben-"How is he moving so fast?"
Paradox-"You mean, "How do I move so quickly?" It's simple really. It's called walking...strolling really."
Only stopping/slowing down when he needs them to be able to perceive him.
(This should at the very least upscale Paradox's travel speed above Ben, Gwen and Kevin's MFTL+ combat speed.)

After Paradox got thrown out of existence and losing and regaining his sanity. He then spent a dozen lifetimes mapping out the infinite Timestream. Teleportation was likely not an option for Paradox yet, as the Chrononavigator, a GPS to the multiverse, was likely only created after he had fully explored and mapped out the Timestream and he would have like not been able to teleport himself due to not knowing the short cuts yet.

○ Immeasurable speed:
Immeasurable (Movement unbound from the flow of linear time, which cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined, the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below)

Professor Paradox exist outside of time. Paradox can effortlessly go to and move inside the The Space Beyond.
Quote:
'The Space Beyond is an infinite black void that extends past the boundaries of the universe and encompasses an infinite number of them. The branching timelines exist inside the Space Beyond. This space separates Universes from each other and isn't accessible via general dimension crossing devices except by for the Map of infinity and the Chrono Navigator.'

 'The Space Beyond has it's own higher temporal dimension than those of the branching timelines. In Ben 10 Omniverse Season 6 Episode 1, Vilgax uses the Chronosapien Time Bomb to destroy all timelines except No Watch Ben's Timeline. The Space Beyond was unaffected by the Chronosapien Time Bomb and the destruction of the timelines. It is not bound by the temporality of the branching timelines.'

'Other people are also shown to be able move in the space beyond. Would this mean that everyone can move in a higher temporal dimension?'
Good question. Not remotely the point tho. Paradox could make other breath on the moon as a form of Power Bestowel. This is pretty much the same.

He can freely move outside of the very fabric of reality/existence as previously shown. He then spent a dozen lifetimes mapping out the infinite Timestream.
Quote:
'The Timestream/Crosstime is super imposing Hypertimeline that orders all of creation Post-Annihilargh events from beginning to End, it orders changes and different versions of Whole multiverse (spacetime tree) across itself in a different forward direction (Just like Timeline orders changes in the Universe as snapshots across itself)'
The Annhilarrgh currently scales to immeasurable attack speed due to creating the Timestream and numerous spatio-temporal dimensions.

Agree:@Qawsedf234(with MFTL+) @Firestorm808(with MFTL+) @Hellformer @zaraus @DonkeySlayer06(with infinite travel speed) @OMNIVERSAL-KING Ednaxel2(atleast MFTL+ travel speed) @REX9097
Disagree:
Neural:
@DonkeySlayer06(with Immeasurable speed) Ednaxel2
 
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I don't have time to read everything here, but Paradox is uses a portal to get to the past, so he has a big Anti-Feat for Immeasurable.

Add a timestamp for the YouTube links you use, otherwise no one will understand exactly what you are talking about.
  1. Being "outside" of time is not a speed feat.
  2. According to the Cosmology page, the reason Paradox can't go to White Nothingness is because there is no time there, which means that Paradox is a time-dependent character.
The white nothingness is the precursor to the creation of the Realm of The Timestream, inhabited by 5th dimensional beings. There is no time or space here as shown by Maltruant being unable to use his Time Manipulation and stated to be beyond Paradox's reach. Omniversal force that transcends all of spacetime, extends past all dimensions, spacetime through this realm and continues forever.
 
I don't have time to read everything here, but Paradox is uses a portal to get to the past, so he has a big Anti-Feat for Immeasurable.
Anti feats tend to be when more along the lines of this. Potals were mainly used in Omniverse when we were introduced/informed of the Chrononavigator and in UAF it was mainly teleportation
Add a timestamp for the YouTube links you use, otherwise no one will understand exactly what you are talking about.
OK. I'll and casually integrate them in. Thanks for the advice.
  1. Being "outside" of time is not a speed feat.
  2. According to the Cosmology page, the reason Paradox can't go to White Nothingness is because there is no time there, which means that Paradox is a time-dependent character.
Paradox does exist independent from time as he states but relies on time for his time manipulation and travel. Similarly to Maltruant/Clockwork, despite having time travel powers he still needed timebeast eggs to get to White Void and when he got there his powers wouldn't work. I know existing outside of time ≠ higher speed it was just a bit of extra info to support my 5 main points.

1. That Paradox could strike/disarm before laughing an attack/arriving.
2. Could travel at instantaneous speeds. Should atleast be mftl+ due to moving that the trio could perceive him.
3. Could map out and infinite space in a finite amount of time. Prior to learning all the short cuts to time travel and building the Chrononavigator.
4. Could move through multiple temporal dimensions in the space beyond.
5. Could map out an immeasurable space within a finite amount of time.
 
Using portals is just another way to time travel which he wishes to, so it's not really anti feat but instead a different way to do the same task. I agree with the OP
 
Using portals is just another way to time travel which he wishes to, so it's not really anti feat but instead a different way to do the same task. I agree with the OP
Paradox stated that it took a dozen lifetimes to crisscross the timestream. If it takes that long to travel through it via sheer speed then I'd rather teleport too.
 
Anti feats tend to be when more along the lines of this. Potals were mainly used in Omniverse when we were introduced/informed of the Chrononavigator and in UAF it was mainly teleportation
Characters who are immeasurable can go into the past or the future as they wish at their own pure speed without needing anything. If you claim that a character is Immeasurable, but this character needs portals to get to the past or the future, then this character is not Immeasurable.
Paradox does exist independent from time as he states but relies on time for his time manipulation and travel. Similarly to Maltruant/Clockwork, despite having time travel powers he still needed timebeast eggs to get to White Void and when he got there his powers wouldn't work. I know existing outside of time ≠ higher speed it was just a bit of extra info to support my 5 main points.
Yes, that's proves my point.
1. That Paradox could strike/disarm before laughing an attack/arriving.
Slide the scan for this, none of the above things have a timestamp, so I need to see what I'm going to watch.
2. Could travel at instantaneous speeds. Should atleast be mftl+ due to moving that the trio could perceive him.
This has nothing to do with Immeasurable. And if it can be perceived by a character with finite speed, then it is itself a character with finite speed. Because Immeasurable characters perceive Infinite characters as "frozen", and Infinite characters perceive characters with finite speed as "frozen". Here you completely contradict yourself, and at some point you prove that Paradox cannot be Immeasurable.
3. Could map out and infinite space in a finite amount of time. Prior to learning all the short cuts to time travel and building the Chrononavigator.
Why should being able to map an infinite space be an Immeasurable feat? How do we know if he did this at his own speed or not?
4. Could move through multiple temporal dimensions in the space beyond.
Slide scan for this
5. Could map out an immeasurable space within a finite amount of time.
What do you mean by "Immeasurable Space"? Didn't you just say that he mapped "Infinite Space"? Your third and fifth arguments contradict each other.
 
Characters who are immeasurable can go into the past or the future as they wish at their own pure speed without needing anything. If you claim that a character is Immeasurable, but this character needs portals to get to the past or the future, then this character is not Immeasurable.
Paradox can move to the past/future as he wishes but the portals/teleportation just makes it more convenient.
Slide the scan for this, none of the above things have a timestamp, so I need to see what I'm going to watch.
Legit the first video on the CRT of him taking Rozums gun. All these videos are less than 2.5 minutes.
This has nothing to do with Immeasurable. And if it can be perceived by a character with finite speed, then it is itself a character with finite speed. Because Immeasurable characters perceive Infinite characters as "frozen", and Infinite characters perceive characters with finite speed as "frozen". Here you completely contradict yourself, and at some point you prove that Paradox cannot be Immeasurable.
It was mainly an argument to upscale his overall travel speed to atleast mftl+/infinite due to the trio not being able to perceive his speed. They couldn't perceive his speed during the whole video
Why should being able to map an infinite space be an Immeasurable feat? How do we know if he did this at his own speed or not?
Mapping out an infinite space was an argument for infinite speed on my crt.
Ben-"He doesn't need a time machine. He has a map in his head." - indicating that he doesn't need time travel.
Paradox- "Exactly. I know where all the short cuts are. I spent a dozen lifetimes crisscrossing the Timestream."
Slide scan for this
The Cosmology page stated that the Space Beyond has a higher temporal dimension than the rest of the Universe. He can freely move through both.
What do you mean by "Immeasurable Space"? Didn't you just say that he mapped "Infinite Space"? Your third and fifth arguments contradict each other.
No. I first argued for infinite speed due to Paradox mapping it out based of that it's infinite in size as stated by Maltruant. Then I argued it is immeasurable due to the Timestream being an off branching linear hypertimeline as stated on the cosmology page. And due to it requiring a bomb(Annhilarrgh) moving at Immeasurable speed to create it.
 
if paradox has immeasurable speed why does he need a portal
bahahhahahahah
As I said before he doesn't need to teleport. He said it took him a dozen lifetimes to crisscross and map out the Timestream. If it took me that long to reach another point in time via sheer speed. I'd rather teleport too.
 
can you tell which episode the scene came from? (I will reply the above things when I find time)
Ultimate Aggregor
 
  1. Being "outside" of time is not a speed feat.
  2. According to the Cosmology page, the reason Paradox can't go to White Nothingness is because there is no time there, which means that Paradox is a time-dependent character.
If being outside of spacetime doesn't give you higher speed, then why does The Enchiridion have infinite speed and possibly immeasurable speed by being outside of spacetime?
 
If being outside of spacetime doesn't give you higher speed, then why does The Enchiridion have infinite speed and possibly immeasurable speed by being outside of spacetime?
Yeah. That should not be there.
 
If being outside of spacetime doesn't give you higher speed, then why does The Enchiridion have infinite speed and possibly immeasurable speed by being outside of spacetime?
Outdated profile, the verse needs to be revised, and it will take me a while to do this alone, but I will revise all the profiles. (I will reply the above things)
 
I agree with Paradox's infinite speed. The issue of immeasurable speed seems complicated, so I'm undecided for now.
Agree with infinite speed but neatral on immeasurable speed. But to simplify immeasurable speed. Is that he can basically attack so fast that he can affect the future and move so fast that he can repeatedly travel forward and back through the Timestream.
 
This all sounds like dimensional travel to me ( apart from the fact that he always uses a portal to go to other dimensions and timelines), so i will remain neutral on this.
He only started using potals in Omniverse and after he learning and mapping out the Timestream and building a GPS for it. In the Episode Paradox he stated crisscrossed the space time continuum and got it mapped out in dozen lifetimes(700 years) and then learned all the short cuts.

If it took me 700 years to travel through time multiple times then I'd build a teleportation device too.
 
He only started using potals in Omniverse and after he learning and mapping out the Timestream and building a GPS for it. In the Episode Paradox he stated crisscrossed the space time continuum and got it mapped out in dozen lifetimes(700 years) and then learned all the short cuts.
He also used portals in the old Ben 10, when he appeared to Ben's cousin a kind of light appeared (sounds like every time he used a portal )



Of course, there are some scenes where he uses teleportation to suddenly reappear ( to go any part of the time)



Or send someone to another location




If it took me 700 years to travel through time multiple times then I'd build a teleportation device too.
Well, i don't know what to say about that, because i only remember watching it a few times, there is evidence against infinite or immeasurable speed ( but I'm not here to disagree or agree)

I'll wait for an administrator to come here to see if it's correct.
 
He also used portals in the old Ben 10, when he appeared to Ben's cousin a kind of light appeared (sounds like every time he used a portal )


He used the Chrononavigator/pocket watch in this scene and this is still after he had leaned all the shortcuts to timetravel. He doesn't need it as Ben states that,"He doesn't need a time machine. He has a map in his head." And Paradox confirming it with an "Exactly."
Well, i don't know what to say about that, because i only remember watching it a few times, there is evidence against infinite or immeasurable speed ( but I'm not here to disagree or agree)

I'll wait for an administrator to come here to see if it's correct.
Well that's fine ig. I'll just sign you up for Neutral then regarding his travel speed. What about his attack speed as he's seen not using his powers when taking the gun from Rozum prior to him arriving.
 
How do we know this is due to speed and not just some sort of teleportation ability, where he used such an ability to grab it before he arrived? This just looks like reading too much into it and interpreting it in a way that aligns with your scaling. And I assume this is the only scene that might suggest his speed is at that level, right? If so, that's even more vague, on top of the fact that multiple anti feats exist against it.
 
How do we know this is due to speed and not just some sort of teleportation ability, where he used such an ability to grab it before he arrived? This just looks like reading too much into it and interpreting it in a way that aligns with your scaling.
If it was teleportation then he would have arrived and then leave and then arrived again contradicting what he said, "I took it from you before I arrived. AUF Paradox is always accompanied by a flash of light when he teleports/timetravels.
 
If it was teleportation then he would have arrived and then leave and then arrived again contradicting what he said, "I took it from you before I arrived. AUF Paradox is always accompanied by a flash of light when he teleports/timetravels.

That's not the type of teleportation I mean. I’m referring to using teleportation or a portal to take something without appearing in front of them. Like the ability that Kazuma uses to steal panties.
 
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That's not the type of teleportation I mean. I’m referring to using teleportation or a portal to take something without appearing in front of them.
Paradox only started using portal in Omniverse. Not once in UAF did he ever use portals.

They also tend to be a bright light source. So it is unlikely it would have gone unnoticed by Rozum.
Also he mapped out the entire Timestream prior to gaining teleportation and time travel as second indication of his speed.
 
Paradox only started using portal in Omniverse. Not once in UAF did he ever use portals.

If it's an ability that he only gains in that arc, then sure.
They also tend to be a bright light source. So it is unlikely it would have gone unnoticed by Rozum.
For all we know, he might not have noticed it.

Personally, saying he used some sort of portal or something similar is much simpler and makes more sense, considering his abilities and character, than suggesting he did it in a way that only most power scalers could have thought of.

Also he mapped out the entire Timestream prior to gaining teleportation and time travel as second indication of his speed.
And how did he do it? By physically exploring it?
 
If it's an ability that he only gains in that arc, then sure.
He had teleportation but not via portal. He teleportated his whole body and it's engulfed by a bright light that lights up the entire room. So he didn't use teleportation in this scene.
For all we know, he might not have noticed it.
We don't see a light or Paradox taking the gun by teleporting in or out quickly due to a lack of light.
And how did he do it? By physically exploring it?
Yes. As explained. Paradox gained the ability to teleport and time travel due to learning all of the short cut throughout the space-time continuum.

He mapped it all out and thus learned all of it's shortcuts allowing him to timetravel. Thus he would first need to have moved through all of it to learn all the short cuts. As he stated that he spent a dozen lifetimes crisscrossing(both meanings refer to movement). This was prior to building the Chrononavigator as it would require a full mapped out multiverse to make to due to it being a GPS of said multiverse.
Paradox also confirms to Ben that he doesn't need a time machine.
Ben- "He doesn't need a time machine. He has a map in his head."
Paradox- "Exactly."
 
He had teleportation but not via portal. He teleportated his whole body and it's engulfed by a bright light that lights up the entire room. So he didn't use teleportation in this scene.
Not the type of teleportation I was referring.

Check the video I linked.
We don't see a light or Paradox taking the gun by teleporting in or out quickly due to a lack of light.
Again, he could have taken it long before he arrived, and the guy simply didn't notice. And in the same video you literally just sent, he teleported them into the future without those same lights.
Yes. As explained. Paradox gained the ability to teleport and time travel due to learning all of the short cut throughout the space-time continuum.

He mapped it all out and thus learned all of it's shortcuts allowing him to timetravel. Thus he would first need to have moved through all of it to learn all the short cuts. As he stated that he spent a dozen lifetimes crisscrossing(both meanings refer to movement). This was prior to building the Chrononavigator as it would require a full mapped out multiverse to make to due to it being a GPS of said multiverse.
Paradox also confirms to Ben that he doesn't need a time machine.
Ben- "He doesn't need a time machine. He has a map in his head."
Paradox- "Exactly."

For all we know, your so-called crisscrossing could be done through his spacetime travel ability rather than physically. Again, neither this nor stealing the gun before he arrived is explicitly portrayed as being achieved through sheer speed and both are subject to multiple interpretations.

As I said, thinking he did it via one of his portal abilities is much simpler to interpret and makes more sense considering his abilities, rather than assuming he did it in a way only power scalers could have thought of. Anyway, I don't think I have anything more to say.
 
For all we know, your so-called crisscrossing could be done through his spacetime travel ability rather than physically. Again, neither this nor stealing the gun before he arrived is explicitly portrayed as being achieved through sheer speed and both are subject to multiple interpretations.
As I said before. Paradox stated to have gained access to time travel via learning all of the short cuts throughout space time. That is how he timetravels and teleports but before this he needed to have moved through space and time to learn all these short cuts.
Paradox: I now have full understanding of the space time continuum. Allowing me to travel anywhere and any when I want. Within reason.
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Ben: He doesn't need a time machine. He has a map in his head.
Paradox: Exactly. I know where all the shortcuts are. I've spent a dozen lifetimes crisscrossing some Timestream.
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He could also be seen moving throughout time in the flashback. Based of this evidence and the chronology of events.
(Got trapped outside of time->crisscrossed the Timestream->learned it's shortcuts and gained timetravel->build Chrononavigator)
That is how the events transpired. Thus he would have needed to traveled the Timestream before learning the short cuts and gaining timetravel.
As I said, thinking he did it via one of his portal abilities is much simpler to interpret and makes more sense considering his abilities, rather than assuming he did it in a way only power scalers could have thought of.
He crisscrossed the Timestream prior to gaining time travel and the Chrononavigator as only the Chrononavigator can make portals.
Anyway, I don't think I have anything more to say.
k ig
BTW. Where do you stand on upgrading his travel speed to mftl+/infinite as he was able to move so fast the trio count perceive him.
 
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