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Vortex do Gwak Gwak till you Blue
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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I am now developing an obsession with continuing this until it becomes a fair fight.
Resurrected Madara(given 2 Rinnegan, presuming 1 Limbo Clone)
Izuna Uchiha
WM Obito(No Bijuu)
vs
Alive Hashirama
Alive Tobirama
Tobirama's 6-man squad(prime, no Moon Level Hiruzen)
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Isn't Madara's corpse in another dimension?
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Uh, it was summoned back along with Team 7 and the Biju.
Hashirama had one last talk with Madara before they both moved on to the afterlife
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OBH is right on the money.
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How does giving Madara another super busted teammate like Obito make this more fair when Madara already high-key stomps on his own?
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How does giving Madara another super busted teammate like Obito make this more fair when Madara already high-key stomps on his own?
HelloThere1089
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Why the obsessesion with Limbo tho? Just restrict that and this fight would immediately become way better.
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Madara and Hashirama go 1v1. Ends in seggs Madara beating Hashirama but getting penetrated from behind since that's his weakness
Obito ***** around with Tobirama's squad then stabs them with his long hard wood
Obito and Tobirama play space-time ninja tag, Tobirama goes infinite boom since he already knows Obito's Kamui's weakness
Conclusion: Young Hiruzen with Enma stomps everyone
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Since apparently an invincible, invisible, and intangible clone of Madara that can easily kill everyone on here makes it way to easy for Madara to win, and I can't give everyone Limbo because that would be stupid, I will have to do this bit:
Resurrected Madara(given 2 Rinnegan, no Limbo)
Izuna Uchiha
WM Obito(With Jinchuuriki, but they're alive)
vs
Alive Hashirama
Alive Tobirama
Tobirama's 6-man squad(each is in their prime, Hiruzen is not 5-C, Kagami's ">Shisui" statement from the anime is included if you want)
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HelloThere1089
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Fun Fact: Hiruzen was moon lvl when he was in his dad's balls. He slowly lost his power after that point in time, i.e. that was his prime. That is the reason we never see prime Hiruzen busting a moon.
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You haven't been here in a while, allow me to explain.Why is this disclaimer necessary....?
-First and foremost was a joke about how Konohamaru would defeat his Shinju enemy with Monkey Sage Mode and then say he'd finally surpassed his grandfather.
-We made some Moon Level Hiruzen jokes
-I later made a joke about Orochimaru saying the Sannin used to dodge light all the time back in the day
-Someone said "back when we used to be Moon Level"
-It continues from there.
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I hate all of you with a passion.I see.
HelloThere1089
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I hate all of you with a passion.I see.
So umm..
Guilty
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Boruto at the end of the series:
Kishimoto has signaled it by back-dooring some S8 Concepts
Kishimoto has signaled it by back-dooring some S8 Concepts
HelloThere1089
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I can't figure out if this is a power scaling scene or a shipping scene.Boruto at the end of the series:
Kishimoto has signaled it by back-dooring some S8 Concepts
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UnironicallyBoruto at the end of the series:
Kishimoto has signaled it by back-dooring some S8 Concepts
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2B?
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No way!
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No?2B?
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Haven't read the newest chapter yet but from the little I've seen it kinda explains why we never saw that final panel come to be
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Prime Hiruzen descending from the higher heavens to beat up Shibai, the rest of the Otsutsuki Clan, The Shinju and Code with his moon level AP =
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The Uchihas prolly win high diff. EMS Madara was already close to Hashirama. Given that the Rinnegan based on narrative and other scalings is likely a bigger boost, and the broken Rinnegan abilities and Mokuton, he should beat Hashirama eventually.
Izuna loses to Tobirama, but the difficulty depends on how much Tobirama improved after the Warring States Era, which is a bit unknown. Either way, the result of their battle probably isn't that important since they're the weakest members of their teams.
Obito should beat Tobirama's squad. Hiruzen and Danzo are the only ones with any scaling. Danzo is an MS Sasuke victim so he's getting destroyed (not sure if he could even Izanagi back from the Kamui dimension since that doesn't hurt him), and while Prime Hiruzen's higher metas get him above Obito, I think him just being vaguely Tobirama level+ is the most consistent, which isn't enough to put him above Obito.
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I still believe in my GOAT Kagami. If one of his teammates gets dropped, he could probably awaken MS.
Wait, how is being stronger than Tobirama not enough to put him over Obito? Is it... Minato scaling?
MinatoSparkle
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MS Kagami still gets mogged probably
You can do it through Minato>Tobirama or Obito~Madara~SM Hashirama>>Base Hashirama~Tobirama.
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MinatoSparkle
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In speed, cause they're just shown attacking alongside each other a lot.
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1. That is just projectile speed
2. Tobirama is faster than Madara
MinatoSparkle
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1. They're also portrayed as attacking at the same time in the upper panels, and anyways, I don't see why there's a big distinction between close range and projectile speed
2. With FTG sure, but physically he's more consistently depicted to be Base Hashirama tier (I imagine you'll point out that most of these are movement speed, but the first is combat speed)
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Projectile travel speed is for sure different, but I just realized that's Edo Madara anyway, so I don't really disagree.
These don't really have much context around them, but I will agree that their Imperfect Edo Tenseis being comparable IS quite relevant here, they do seem even given that context.
MinatoSparkle
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Sure it's probably faster than cqc speed, but it generally scales proportionately (if X character's cqc speed is 1 and their projectile speed is 3, and Y character's projectile speed is 3, their cqc speed is likely 1; at least it generally is portrayed that way)
Edo Madara isn't that much slower than EMS Madara but mk
They got to the battlefield with Shunshin at the same time which I'd say is the second best feat, they're kinda portrayed as running in sync to Madara but that's the vaguest feat there, and they land next to Juubito together, but they might've been intentionally moving together (not sure what the benefit of that would've been other than making a cool landing shot together tho).
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Doing cool poses is the #1 priority, 8th Gate Guy and Baryon Mode Naruto prove this.
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I don't quite agree with the madara take. We already saw the dual rinnengan madara vs hashirama fight. granted they were Edo but that just means they were both nerfed so alive it would not end differently. I think madara even said tobirama and hashirama can't attain their former speed when they were alive or something and they difference between edo and alive rinnengan has been restricted I.e limbo. Although this would go quite diferently if by dual rinnengan he means "alive madara with sage mode and the 2 rinnengan" then yeah madara takes it
