Revision on Sojourn pt.2 (Overwatch)

[Hixkaryana]

Hi!
I'd appreciate reviews and feedbacks about this overall scaling I gave Sojourn in Overwatch 2.

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Thanks!

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hi, Overwatch holy lord over here. If a profile looks good and it's not from OW2(Besides Mauga) chances are I reworked it.

Let's go.

1. No references anywhere, normally I wouldn't quiver too much, but meet my standard of going as far as referencing the name and age, let alone all the other stuff
2. High 8-C for Souj is unsupported by your profile, you need a read-through of her book to do her properly anyway. Her feats in Cinematics and the 'story' mode throw her in the 8-C, likely High 8-C bin.
3. I know for a fact she has a lot more of a PnA then that, read her novel.
4. The first part of her speed section already strikes me as circular scaling. Get rid of it and scale to her the folks in her mission.
5. Class 100 needs a calc, not a feat that can easily be Class 1.
6. That wouldn't qualify as Superhuman Stamina, but Souj has feats of Superhuman... in her book.
7. Reference Intelligence and fill it with feats from her book. Also, tabber it for organization purposes.
8. Sombra should not be used as a weakness for anyone. Her EMP is not what it says on the tin, I'll put it that way.

Should note, current Souj would be High 8-C, she can box OR-15s, but she'd have two keys and one wouldn't be that.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

After reading this over, my thoughts more-or-less align with Reaper's. Since I was already planning on doing so, I can give the novel a read and look for feats.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Hi, Overwatch holy lord over here. If a profile looks good and it's not from OW2(Besides Mauga) chances are I reworked it.

Let's go.

1. No references anywhere, normally I wouldn't quiver too much, but meet my standard of going as far as referencing the name and age, let alone all the other stuff
2. High 8-C for Souj is unsupported by your profile, you need a read-through of her book to do her properly anyway. Her feats in Cinematics and the 'story' mode throw her in the 8-C, likely High 8-C bin.
3. I know for a fact she has a lot more of a PnA then that, read her novel.
4. The first part of her speed section already strikes me as circular scaling. Get rid of it and scale to her the folks in her mission.
5. Class 100 needs a calc, not a feat that can easily be Class 1.
6. That wouldn't qualify as Superhuman Stamina, but Souj has feats of Superhuman... in her book.
7. Reference Intelligence and fill it with feats from her book. Also, tabber it for organization purposes.
8. Sombra should not be used as a weakness for anyone. Her EMP is not what it says on the tin, I'll put it that way.

Should note, current Souj would be High 8-C, she can box OR-15s, but she'd have two keys and one wouldn't be that.

I didn’t read her book (tbh not even aware she had one) so thanks for that input!

 

[DaReaperMan]

I didn’t read her book (tbh not even aware she had one) so thanks for that input!

It's always good to contact knowledgeables on matters like this

 

[Hixkaryana]

Hi, Overwatch holy lord over here. If a profile looks good and it's not from OW2(Besides Mauga) chances are I reworked it.

Let's go.

1. No references anywhere, normally I wouldn't quiver too much, but meet my standard of going as far as referencing the name and age, let alone all the other stuff
2. High 8-C for Souj is unsupported by your profile, you need a read-through of her book to do her properly anyway. Her feats in Cinematics and the 'story' mode throw her in the 8-C, likely High 8-C bin.
3. I know for a fact she has a lot more of a PnA then that, read her novel.
4. The first part of her speed section already strikes me as circular scaling. Get rid of it and scale to her the folks in her mission.
5. Class 100 needs a calc, not a feat that can easily be Class 1.
6. That wouldn't qualify as Superhuman Stamina, but Souj has feats of Superhuman... in her book.
7. Reference Intelligence and fill it with feats from her book. Also, tabber it for organization purposes.
8. Sombra should not be used as a weakness for anyone. Her EMP is not what it says on the tin, I'll put it that way.

Should note, current Souj would be High 8-C, she can box OR-15s, but she'd have two keys and one wouldn't be that.

For the Class 100 scale, I figured since the pipe was made of steel with a yield strength of around 250 MPa, and estimating it to be about 10 cm in diameter with a 1 cm thickness (more or less) the force needed to bend it would be roughly 785 kN (or 785,000 N). Since Sojourn not only bent the pipe but also overpowered the omnic’s grip, which I’d estimate to be around 98,000 N she probably exerted something like 200,000 N or more. When you look at this in terms of lifting strength, it puts her pretty close to the higher end of Class 100 (somewhere around 1million N would equal to 102 tons) where the lifting or force range is between 50 and 100 tons.

It's always good to contact knowledgeables on matters like this

Definitely!

 

[Hixkaryana]

For the Class 100 scale, I figured since the pipe was made of steel with a yield strength of around 250 MPa, and estimating it to be about 10 cm in diameter with a 1 cm thickness (more or less) the force needed to bend it would be roughly 785 kN (or 785,000 N). Since Sojourn not only bent the pipe but also overpowered the omnic’s grip, which I’d estimate to be around 98,000 N she probably exerted something like 200,000 N or more. When you look at this in terms of lifting strength, it puts her pretty close to the lower end of Class 100 (somewhere around 1million N would equal to 102 tons) where the lifting or force range is between 100 and 1,000 tons.

Definitely!

And for these calculations I used the smallest dimensions I could, after using Image Measurement I realized that the measurements were bigger than I thought. Sojourn being able to bend it already put her exerted force to the millions of Newton, without even considering the grip the Omnic had.

 

[Hixkaryana]

It's always good to contact knowledgeables on matters like this

I've read the book, pretty good feats as you mentioned with the OR14 that she could tank hits from as well as easily destroying it with her railgun.
I've also posted my calculations on my Sandbox.

 

[DaReaperMan]

And for these calculations I used the smallest dimensions I could, after using Image Measurement I realized that the measurements were bigger than I thought. Sojourn being able to bend it already put her exerted force to the millions of Newton, without even considering the grip the Omnic had.

Did you account for hollowness?

I've read the book, pretty good feats as you mentioned with the OR14 that she could tank hits from as well as easily destroying it with her railgun.

Good... now you need to properly do the profile. Which would include two keys and a lot more crap in every section

 

[Hixkaryana]

Did you account for hollowness?

Good... now you need to properly do the profile. Which would include two keys and a lot more crap in every section

Yes, by using the thickness of the pipe (which I put at 1cm) I accounted for hollowness by only considering the material in the pipe's wall and not thinking of it as a solid.
And if you don't mind me asking, what would the keys be?

 

[DaReaperMan]

And if you don't mind me asking, what would the keys be?

Sit down and fully read the book and find out, yeah? I ain't doing everything for you in this case I just like... don't care about Souj lol

 

[Hixkaryana]

Sit down and fully read the book and find out, yeah? I ain't doing everything for you in this case I just like... don't care about Souj lol

I just don't see how keys would be any relevant in that case..there's no need to make two different parts for a character that has literally no evolution in terms of her physical characteristics, she's always had her cybernetics in every canon source I can base myself on, it would just be a waste of time.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I just don't see how keys would be any relevant in that case..there's no need to make two different parts for a character that has literally no evolution in terms of her physical characteristics, she's always had her cybernetics in every canon source I can base myself on, it would just be a waste of time.

Then I guess Bastion should only have 1 key right? He's always been an omnic.

See how stupid that sounds? Current sojourn has much better cybernetics then she did early on.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Then I guess Bastion should only have 1 key right? He's always been an omnic.

See how stupid that sounds? Current sojourn has much better cybernetics then she did early on.

The only possible difference I could see between her old and new cybernetics is her Disruptor Shot who hasn't been mentioned before, other than that she's quite literally the same person with the exact same capabilities and physical attributes. Not to mention the inconsistencies of their "upgrade" since she's been shown to do far greater things with the ancient ones.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The only possible difference I could see between her old and new cybernetics is her Disruptor Shot who hasn't been mentioned before, other than that she's quite literally the same person with the exact same capabilities and physical attributes. Not to mention the inconsistencies of their "upgrade" since she's been shown to do far greater things with the ancient ones.

Your still looking at two keys hix, just... compile the profile with feats and call me back here? Whether it's one or two keys really doesn't matter except for one might be just 8-C or some crap lol

 

[Hixkaryana]

Your still looking at two keys hix, just... compile the profile with feats and call me back here? Whether it's one or two keys really doesn't matter except for one might be just 8-C or some crap lol

Sure...

 

[Hixkaryana]

Your still looking at two keys hix, just... compile the profile with feats and call me back here? Whether it's one or two keys really doesn't matter except for one might be just 8-C or some crap lol

Alright I'm pretty much done, I don't think there any more interesting feats I could tap into, if you have any suggestions or things I may have forgotten I'm all ears.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Alright I'm pretty much done, I don't think there any more interesting feats I could tap into, if you have any suggestions or things I may have forgotten I'm all ears.

The formatting could use a little work(to say the least), I'm just happy you can tabber, but check like... Doomfist in source editor. He should have everything on how to reference a book.

And the OR-14 feat isn't on the profile it is the reason shed be High 8-C--

Also, first key would need filling out on what she actually does in that time.

 

[Hixkaryana]

The formatting could use a little work(to say the least), I'm just happy you can tabber, but check like... Doomfist in source editor. He should have everything on how to reference a book.

And the OR-14 feat isn't on the profile it is the reason shed be High 8-C--

Also, first key would need filling out on what she actually does in that time.

I’ll fix that up soon

 

[Hixkaryana]

The formatting could use a little work(to say the least), I'm just happy you can tabber, but check like... Doomfist in source editor. He should have everything on how to reference a book.

And the OR-14 feat isn't on the profile it is the reason shed be High 8-C--

Also, first key would need filling out on what she actually does in that time.

Alright I fixed the summaries, I only made one because it looked extremely ugly with the tabber, I tried to combine both descriptions.
I put the OR-14 feat (I think that's the one you were talking about) in her 2048 AP section.
And I've tried my best to reference as much as I could.

I'm pretty bad in terms of aesthetic purposes but I think it should be fair to at least upload her profile?

 

[Hixkaryana]

@DaReaperMan

 

[DaReaperMan]

@DaReaperMan

Improper bolding, the PnA isn't referenced or explained enough to my liking, Stamina values are ****** beyond belief(Such as Very High not being a rating) including no justifications, etc.

If you're referencing I can tell you're handling source code so like... look at Reinhardt for proper source code screwery. Not my most recent rework but it's proper there.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Improper bolding, the PnA isn't referenced or explained enough to my liking, Stamina values are ****** beyond belief(Such as Very High not being a rating) including no justifications, etc.

If you're referencing I can tell you're handling source code so like... look at Reinhardt for proper source code screwery. Not my most recent rework but it's proper there.

So there’s only one serious matter as I see it, your only problem is me not referencing enough (and no I don’t handle source code that greatly). I’ve already told you aesthetically-wise I’m horrendous, so the only thing preventing me from making Sojourn a page is a special character not being in bold? Why are you being so overly meticulous on matters that futile?

 

[DaReaperMan]

So there’s only one serious matter as I see it, your only problem is me not referencing enough (and no I don’t handle source code that greatly). I’ve already told you aesthetically-wise I’m horrendous, so the only thing preventing me from making Sojourn a page is a special character not being in bold? Why are you being so overly meticulous on matters that futile?

Because this kind of meticulous nitpicking was how I got myself to be good at handling the coding end of things. I can even properly scan if I have the equipment to do so, it's just not needed so I don't.

I'm a perfectionist in that regard, so if I seem overly harsh with profiles... yes, I am being overly harsh with them. Once it's formatted properly a content mod or admin doesn't have to go in and do it themselves, and even in it's current state, there are issues all over the place, especially when it comes to listing what XYZ reason is.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Because this kind of meticulous nitpicking was how I got myself to be good at handling the coding end of things. I can even properly scan if I have the equipment to do so, it's just not needed so I don't.

I'm a perfectionist in that regard, so if I seem overly harsh with profiles... yes, I am being overly harsh with them. Once it's formatted properly a content mod or admin doesn't have to go in and do it themselves, and even in it's current state, there are issues all over the place, especially when it comes to listing what XYZ reason is.

I'm sorry but you're just being a denier right now, if someone more competent than me (quick check, I've been here for 3 days tops) can make a profile look cleaner and more adequate to how you would like it to be, then why not leave them? At the end of the day I'll still be doing everything I can to make this profile the most perfect it could be and you'd have something to say.

I'm not trying to be a genius coder, or be able to make scans like you? I just want to create a page.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm sorry but you're just being a denier right now, if someone more competent than me (quick check, I've been here for 3 days tops) can make a profile look cleaner and more adequate to how you would like it to be, then why not leave them? At the end of the day I'll still be doing everything I can to make this profile the most perfect it could be and you'd have something to say.

I'm not trying to be a genius coder, or be able to make scans like you? I just want to create a page.

Hix I ain't a mod, I'm not quite required to play nice, but I'll put it this way: You've done better then others I've had to try and sit through.

That's not saying there isn't a reason I'm telling you to take a gander at other profiles like Reinhardt's. I'm crappy at giving instructions so I'd much rather just show a profile like Reinhardt or Reaper and tell people that said profile should be the minimum standards of quality for making pages(Cause they are)

 

[Hixkaryana]

Hix I ain't a mod, I'm not quite required to play nice, but I'll put it this way: You've done better then others I've had to try and sit through.

That's not saying there isn't a reason I'm telling you to take a gander at other profiles like Reinhardt's. I'm crappy at giving instructions so I'd much rather just show a profile like Reinhardt or Reaper and tell people that said profile should be the minimum standards of quality for making pages(Cause they are)

I understand quite clearly. And you must understand that I'm pretty dedicated too, I'll just copy/paste Reinhardt's format into Sojourn's then I guess?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I understand quite clearly. And you must understand that I'm pretty dedicated too, I'll just copy/paste Reinhardt's format into Sojourn's then I guess?

I mean read through Reinhardt's profile in source, absorb the information on how to code these things, and Reaper is a profile that'd tell you how to code seperate keys

 

[Hixkaryana]

I mean read through Reinhardt's profile in source, absorb the information on how to code these things, and Reaper is a profile that'd tell you how to code seperate keys

I give up for now, as for the Separate Keys they're only used once in Reaper's page (PnA) and I already did that.
I fixed the bolding (I think). Whatever problem you have next I'll fix it soon!

 

[DaReaperMan]

I give up for now, as for the Separate Keys they're only used once in Reaper's page (PnA) and I already did that.
I fixed the bolding (I think). Whatever problem you have next I'll fix it soon!

I'll just quickly fix the remaining bolding problems, and after that I think it'd be clear to launch

 

[DaReaperMan]

I give up for now, as for the Separate Keys they're only used once in Reaper's page (PnA) and I already did that.
I fixed the bolding (I think). Whatever problem you have next I'll fix it soon!

That should be everything

 

[Hixkaryana]

That should be everything

This is the most exciting news I've heard this week lmao

 

[DaReaperMan]

This is the most exciting news I've heard this week lmao

I'll personally get your calc evaluated, so there's that too

 

[DaReaperMan]

This is the most exciting news I've heard this week lmao

Ah, can you move your calc to a blog? I mean like... copy/paste the source code to a blog.

 

[Hixkaryana]

I'll personally get your calc evaluated, so there's that too

I've already made a request on the Calc thread, but sure go ahead. And I put them on a blog.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I've already made a request on the Calc thread, but sure go ahead. And I put them on a blog.

Good. I'll definitely be awaiting future projects from you(Especially if they happen to be reworks for existing OW profiles, I don't want to basically be the only one doing those lol

 

[Hixkaryana]

Good. I'll definitely be awaiting future projects from you(Especially if they happen to be reworks for existing OW profiles, I don't want to basically be the only one doing those lol

Sure! Thanks for the help! Also hoping my calcs don't get denied all over

 

[DaReaperMan]

Sure! Thanks for the help! Also hoping my calcs don't get denied all over

I called some fairly chill calc group members to evaluate your calc so it's easier to deal with them then it is my overly aggressive ass

 

[Hixkaryana]

I called some fairly chill calc group members to evaluate your calc so it's easier to deal with them then it is my overly aggressive ass

LMAO thanks

 

[Hixkaryana]

@DaReaperMan Any news?