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what would you guys call the current arc
I know the wiki calls it the "boruto returns arc"
I know the wiki calls it the "boruto returns arc"
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
MinatoSparkle
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Rinnegan Obito~KCM2 Naruto>>MKCM1 Naruto~EMS Sasuke~Edo Itachi, regardless of if Itachi's superior to Sasuke, it's certainly not as big as the difference between KCM1 and KCM2 and they were pretty much relative against Kabuto
Ghostimuscrime
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the difference between kcm1 and kcm2 is like 1.5x (in-verse wise)
Shinju Awakening Arcwhat would you guys call the current arc
I know the wiki calls it the "boruto returns arc"
MinatoSparkle
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Do you think KCM2 Naruto is relative to Edo Madara in speed and do you think WA Kakashi is faster than Hiden (1 year after the war) Kakashi?
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Isn't this wrong?
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It's not saying IT is FTL+ but Kaguya with IT chakra absorbed
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Cause you don't get chakra from IT. You get chakra from God: Nativity of a World of Trees, which is what absorbs the chakra and turns them into white zetsu.
Ghostimuscrime
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hard to tell, there was a bit of power fluctuation in the war arc mid way
raikage can fw Madara, kcm1 whos faster than him narratively is matched by madara so its a bit inconsistent
and the 1.5x comes from tail absorption (kcm1 takes 6/9 while kcm2 takes all)
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Dude rlly dropped Kawaki's power and increased his durability and regeneration all so his ass doesn't get himself killed
MinatoSparkle
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I ask because Edo Madara matched EMS Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow casually, which is much faster than the user
Madara's just playing. Mei also keeps up with him, and Karin can react to her
KCM2 isn't simply Kurama's power. Naruto and Kurama's chakras are kneaded together. There's a reason KCM Minato is relative to BSM Naruto.
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But you get chakra from IT victims and that's simpler to say ig. Iirc it's also what the chakra was referred to as.
Either way I don't think it really matters ngl
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First Arc: Chapters 1-4: Boruto's Return Arcwhat would you guys call the current arc
I know the wiki calls it the "boruto returns arc"
Second Arc: Chapters 5-14: Shinju Awakens Arc
I personally think we've started a new arc with this new chapter. Kawaki will play a central role in this arc for sure.
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No one said you do. The key is just called IT on the wiki.
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I didn’t say Impact.
Ghostimuscrime
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1) aint this post Juubi obito that i already excluded (pretty sure zetsu only comes to him after he got stripped of his power)I ask because Edo Madara matched EMS Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow casually, which is much faster than the user
Madara's just playing. Mei also keeps up with him, and Karin can react to her
KCM2 isn't simply Kurama's power. Naruto and Kurama's chakras are kneaded together. There's a reason KCM Minato is relative to BSM Naruto.
2) madara admitted to holding back in reference to not using the susano, his stats most certainly scales to AY and tsunade, i dont think mei has feats against madara
anyway, you dont put effort in a fight against people youre toying with
3) hold up now thats more confusing, cuz i thought minato got 98 TT cuz he was using kuramas chakra and narutos feats were purely credited to kurama
either way i dont think it defeats my point since feats, showings and statements wise theres very little difference between the two transformations
MinatoSparkle
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It's Madara shooting out rods that he planted in Obito.
I mean she quite literally intercepted his Fire Style and tagged him (if you say he was midair, he could've propelled himself away in a myriad of ways such as sprouting Susanoo arms to grab somewhere), and she reacted to his clone later too (along with the fact that she spent hours fighting his Susanoo clones, meaning she'd have to have been keeping up somewhat)
I didn't mean on the wiki; this is what I'm referring to https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-kcm-minato-upgrade-yall-knew-was-coming.164921/
Between KCM1 and KCM2 or KCM2 and BSM? Cause I heavily disagree either way. KCM Naruto is like BM Bee level, whereas KCM2 Naruto physically knocked away 5 Bijuudama and mollywhopped the Bijuu. There are also a plethora of ways to argue him around 7th Gate Guy level, while Base Guy was performing comparably to KCM Naruto against Obito. And the difference between KCM2 and BSM is just the same as that between Base Naruto and SM Naruto.
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Ghostimuscrime
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1) jutsu speed ggs lol
2) no idea where she came from but she seems like she got distance advantage, as for the clone thing, she BARELY reacted to that also does the wiki accept clones having the same stats as the original (cuz if so i got a devious meta)
3)uhh okay i fail to see how that advances the point of your agenda
4) You and I both know he slapped away individual bijuudamas, otherwise hed have the durability of their combined power, as for single bijuudamas bee most certainly can scale to those, ill give you that KA kcm2 would beat up BA bee but we are talking about their normal bodies here, avatars generally scale massively above the base body, lets not get to the guy stuff, I think the multiplier chain is shaky and ion wanna break it
sage mode kcm2 you could make an arguement tho
MinatoSparkle
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Susanoo Arrow is literally jutsu speed gg on mega steroids and Madara matched that with a smile on his face
If anything she had a disadvantage since the fire was already close to Tsunade before Mei intercepted it
Wdym by barely? She simply blocked it. Do you mean cause she didn't dodge or something?
I believe clones are accepted as comparable
I'm saying that despite Minato just using KCM2, he's comparable to KCM2 Naruto with Sage Mode, supporting the idea that KCM2 is more than just User + Kurama, cause then he'd just be KCM2 level.
Yeah it's individual Bijuudamas, but if KCM Naruto was already struggling against Bijuu's physicals, how would he be able to slap away a Bijuudama with no effort? It's also clearly implicated that KCM2 is meant to be on a higher speed tier than KCM1 given Guy's comment.
I mean the Guy stuff is very relevant? Can't really ignore it when it's one of the key points to KCM2>>KCM1
Ghostimuscrime
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1) brother youre gonna need a bit of mental gymnastics to prove that madaras feet can move as fast as his jutsuSusanoo Arrow is literally jutsu speed gg on mega steroids and Madara matched that with a smile on his face
If anything she had a disadvantage since the fire was already close to Tsunade before Mei intercepted it
Wdym by barely? She simply blocked it. Do you mean cause she didn't dodge or something?
I believe clones are accepted as comparable
I'm saying that despite Minato just using KCM2, he's comparable to KCM2 Naruto with Sage Mode, supporting the idea that KCM2 is more than just User + Kurama, cause then he'd just be KCM2 level.
Yeah it's individual Bijuudamas, but if KCM Naruto was already struggling against Bijuu's physicals, how would he be able to slap away a Bijuudama with no effort? It's also clearly implicated that KCM2 is meant to be on a higher speed tier than KCM1 given Guy's comment.
I mean the Guy stuff is very relevant? Can't really ignore it when it's one of the key points to KCM2>>KCM1
they work similar to jutsu in a non ues verse, you always need written or shown justifications to scale it to a character
2) yeah its pretty easier to put your hand up instead of dodge, ALTHOUGH i wouldnt mind a mei upgrade, id prefer all the casts to be rated high
also comparable is just a shaky way of saying yes, characters get scaled for being comparable in stats, i match your level and youre 50c, im now 50c
in which case i wont say much
3) woah minato cant hang with Juubito like that
at least an empowered one, the unstable ones fluctuate a bit
4) its one of the parts that i find a bit problematic cuz a different outlook ruins the scaling chain but regardless didnt kcm1 and kcm2 both match 1r obito?
you can amp your speeds to achieve a faster feat temporarily it would not translate to your base speed (i hate saying this cuz i loved that raikage blitz feat)
MinatoSparkle
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I'm not talking about site standards cause this isn't a CRT. It's just moving objects with chakra like he amps his own movements with chakra. Not to mention it's not even some special technique with huge chakra output, it's an application of the most basic ability Rinnegan users can spam.
Oh boy
What I mean is that I'm fairly sure they're treated as marginally inferior but still relative, so yes. Though I certainly have disagreements with that considering they have much less of the power source responsible for statsalso comparable is just a shaky way of saying yes, characters get scaled for being comparable in stats, i match your level and youre 50c, im now 50c
in which case i wont say much
He canonically can though? He's powerful support for Naruto and smacks away Juubito's chakra arms and contributes to destroying them/cracking Juubito's TSO barrier.3) woah minato cant hang with Juubito like that
at least an empowered one, the unstable ones fluctuate a bit
I have a couple problems with that. For one, Obito was mostly using the 3T Sharingan when fighting MKCM Naruto, while he was using the MS when fighting KCM2 Naruto mostly. It's also not exactly consistent that Naruto was relative to Obito, considering he easily outsped Naruto here (he had to stretch out his fan like 3x faster than Naruto charged to intercept him) and dodged his chakra arm at close range which is much faster than Naruto himself.
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Jura > Code ~ Boruto ~ Jigen > The other Shinjus
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What's the logic behind Naruto having an "At least" on his FTL+ rating, whilst Sasuke doesn't, despite this wiki generally accepting them as equals?
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It should be fixed. I guess it was overlooked coz it's minor
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MS YM Obito>3 Tomei YM Obito~3 Tomei Madara~Base Hashirama>Tobirama>After Kabuto fight Rage amp EMS Sasuke>Kabuto fight EMS Sasuke<~Edo Itachi
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i'm calling the ambulance and the police. there's been a murderI might get a warning for this but **** it.
Aiit bro. You want a good from the heart reply?
You are slow and dull. This is isn't exactly a bad thing coz depending on your age there is always a chance for you to grow or get smarter. The problem about you is you fit the definition of a fool more perfectly than anyone I've ever known.
What's a fool? A fool is someone that does not know and does not know he doesn't know what he is supposed to know.
Yeah bro that's sounds a lot like you. I'm so suprised that someone can be clueless and still be proud in that state.
Everyone is a sheep and you're the only one thinking right. Narcissistic character. Have you ever considered that most of your arguments are actually dogwater . Like some of them are stuff that if you took your time to actually read them are utter garbage. And sometimes when you present somewhat decent arguments and people still disagree with you then you throw a bigger tantrum than a child who's toy has been taken away.
By telling me 3yrs ago you created threads like this you're just showing how stubborn and obstinate you are. At least one would think even if your notion ain't changing your arguments might have evolved but no! same half hazard regurgitated trash you keep spewing.
No one is against you, for the longest time I found you funny and felt well eventually he'd grow into the community. But you're sounding like a parasite here at this point.
Some of us have outside wiki scales for Naruto. We call it midball or highball coz guess what? We know the wiki we are in always goes for the lowest possible interpretation and we are fine with that. I'm not gonna die if naruto is not 4b.
I don't know where you think you are "i don't ask for help or handouts" yeah bro if you wanna actually change the verse you would need help, unless you can approve your own CRT's. There are like a thousand and one things that need revisions. But no give me low2c kaguya or I perish. Nonsense!!!
You've mentioned it severally now that you did not come here to make friends. Then shut up and never speak here. Leave the thread to the rest of us who part of the reasons we joined the wiki is to share a space to continue talking about stuff we like( like borugoat) with other like minded people. You don't need to speak here. Start churning out CRt's, that's the only place you need to be to get your 2c kaguya or whatever
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Too late dude. The body wasn't claimed by anyone, got cremated, and the ashes mixed with cement to fix the cracks in UchussySlayer69's basement.
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i'm not gonna lie, most of Samlex's arguments seems like he threw his basic ideas into an AI prompt and asked it to generate an argument. i just know and get the feeling that a lot of it is AI generated seeing some of the wordings he tends to include often.
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Me after handling the ashes and cement:
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Are we sure Samlex isn't an AI himself? A more Artificial rather than Intelligent kind of AI
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Although it's not necessary a bad thing but you're 100% right he did use it.
Also low-key dude's been silent for a while now.
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Cuz he asked to be banned from the forum but not the wiki?
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Did he really get banned?
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