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I know somewhere you imagined baby kurama is weaker coz his form changed.
Kurama is actually a wild card.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
Kurama is actually a wild card.
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Plus, Sasuke literally had an apprentice helping him fight.
And he's a slashing merchant, pierce damage > normal damage.
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The jigen in question with the right move set can be damaged by Sasuke before he lost his rinnengan
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Lmao yeah
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The central argument of the 2-page debate earlier is to establish that base NL Code doesn’t necessarily scale to Jigen, and any evidence suggesting that he is superior to Jigen can actually be interpreted as referring to his WK state. This distinction iis important because it undermines the assumption that base NL Code is definitively above Jigen. Instead, a stronger case can be made for base NL Code being above Sasuke, since that claim is supported by more solid evidence. Consequently, Sasuke does not scale to base NL Code. Rather, base NL Code scales to Sasuke, and it is only WK Code that’s above Jigen
It’s not like he has Code chakra along side residing in a perfect host which can perfectly control both chakra induced in him better than a rampaging beast. Yeah, it makes no sense he got stronger
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Damn, y'all aren't giving unc any chance to breathe
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If I said I've been wondering about this since 2021...
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you both coomers
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Again, you can say this all you want, but you need evidence to back it up as well that proves the evolution came with a power up.
For being gone for 4 years, I genuinely thought the level of debating and interpretation would've improved here after how badly Naruto was hit with downgrades from 2016-2020.
Receiving Chakra from weak Boruto era characters does not make you above the likes of Code who is hyped to be above the God Tiers or Naruto.
2+2 =/= 100 for instance
This was already disproven in the War Arc when we saw a Juubi Jinchuriki who is in full control of the Juubi'e Chakra
Think for a second, man.
If you're using logic like this, definitely won't.
Code's ability doesn't empower his targets. All he did was use his claws to physically divide the Juubi'e Chakra into separate pieces.
Even if we're to assume that Code imparted a fraction of his Chakra into each individual Claw Grime, that would still make a product far inferior to himself.
This was a weakened Juubi, a Juubi is inferior to God Tier Naruto characters post Juubito as we saw. Code scales far above characters that make Juubito look like an ant.
It Code were to somehow impart a tenth of his Chakra it still wouldn't add up to being superior to himself.
Again with the "evolution", what evidence of evolution do you have that demonstrates a reasonable power up? How do you prove a weakened Juubi, inferior to Juubito from the War Arc, somehow develops and powers itself up to be orders of magnitude more powerful than characters that eclipsed it before?
Don't just say, "Code's Claws" without reasonable proof it passes along Chakra despite being a hax ability.
They're made from a weakened Juubi.
A nearly full power Juubi is inferior to EoS Naruto characters as we saw with Juubi Jinchuriki characters of the War Arc.
Isshiki never gave Chakra to the Juubi, he took Chakra from it.
If you read what Boruto describes in Chapter 6 of Twin Vortex, you'd know that Boruto explicitly mentions that the evolution involves the affinity with the Claw Grime which draws several points:
1) Even if we assume that Code imparted some Chakra through the Claw Grime, Code didn't give them all his Chakra obviously as it would simply be a miniscule fraction.
2) A fraction wouldn't let them be superior to himself when a weakened Juubi is fodder to EoS God Tiers as a superior Juubi in the Juubi Jinchurikis of the War Arc are far inferior to Jigen who is inferior to Code.
- This is like saying 2 + 20 is superior to 100 for example.
3) The Claw Grimes don't impart Chakra nor contain Chakra as they couldn't even be detected by Sensory Unit Ninja. We saw that Code literally put one on Shikamaru's neck and it was never detected by the Sensory Unit. Thus it has no Chakra to impart.
4) Per Chapter 5 when Eida uses the Senrigan to see the Divine Trees, we are literally told they are simply made from the Chakra of those devoured plus part of the Chakra from the Juubi.
- Same logic, fodder Chakra + a fraction of the Juubi's Chakra doesn't equate to being even equivalent to a full power Juubi.
- Let's make the assumption Code added some of his own Chakra, that still wouldn't make these Divine Trees superior to himself as we saw with Jura.
That's where the logic fails and no amount of "evolution" just hand waives this inconsistency especially when you got Sarada putting Hidari on his ass with a simple Chidori.
Plus, from Jura's own words, their evolution is simply gaining self-awareness per Chapters 4 and 5, nothing about power.
The only mention of Chakra is from Boruto in Chapter 6 referencing how it MAY have to do with Code's Chakra triggering their evolution. Nothing to do with power or strength as we know through Jura their evolution is simply gaining self-awareness.
Code said Sasuke cut out his eyes.
Kurama is not a wildcard. He has a finite Chakra which is why he died when he ran out with Baryon Mode.
As we know through lore and Hagoromo, Kurama himself is a fraction of the Juubi's full Chakra.
Read above.
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By the way, I saw a scan after Hiruzen's CRT was closed. In a poster introducing the characters in the anime, Hiruzen is said to be "the strongest of his clan". You said that Konohamaru's words in my CRT were that Hiruzen doesn't know how strong his prime form is. Can we use the poster released by the studio as evidence and say Prime Hiruzen>Pre Timeskip Adult Konohamaru?
Of course, this form of Konohamaru and Hiruzen are also referred to as 6-C, but at least if Pre TBV Konohamaru rises in the future, this can also raise Hiruzen.
Of course, this form of Konohamaru and Hiruzen are also referred to as 6-C, but at least if Pre TBV Konohamaru rises in the future, this can also raise Hiruzen.
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Could the future have been altered? Momoshiki didn't foresee that Sarada and Sumire weren't affected by Omnipotence, and he told Boruto that he would lose everything, but Sarada Sumire Koji is still with him
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I never said Code's clawmarks empower his targets i said his karma influenced the evolution of the shinju.
stop strawmanning, i never once said Code imparted a specific value of chakra to amplify them, i said that karma was responsible for their evolution, which isnt an argument of us having to assume anything, its a fact its straight said verbatim that Code's chakra and his karma which is the essence of an Otsutsuki are the likely cause.
how is this relevant?, they not fighting the same ten tails
no offense this is some really bad 2010's era powerscaling brain rot, nowhere have I or the series stated that that the power of the shinju are the sum whole of code's chakra and the base ten tails, there's a very clear difference in saying these are the circumstances that caused accelerated development and saying these characters are solely empowered by these things, they not. thats conflating some weird pseduo fusion with evolution. stop conflating chakra and most importantly karma as some weird rpg mechanic thats 10+10, when karma can increase your power a thousand fold without increasing your chakra reserves at all.
with the most bullet proof evidence, that of which is self evident.
quote me saying Code's claws
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@IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 bro stick to bleach
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that hill level verse? boring
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not everything is about power scaling man...
you lost all your aura from that message
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Holy yap fest . Alright let's go.
1. The issue is not they don't have evidence or feats. It's that you don't believe them. Their feats for one is stomping code . It's not my fault you think it's bs.
2. I'm gonna speed run the rest poins coz I'm on mobile and typing is awful. Although I'm not surprised at your "condescending and wrong" combo.
A. Chakra is not additive so your analogy has more holes than a basket. It's why Naruto and kurama innate chakra can fuse with half of hag and surpass him. 100 shinobi can power a device to warp a moon but I'm not gonna sit here and say one shinobi can power it to warp a country.
B. 100% chakra is not used in 99% of attacks. So i can totally give you 5% of my chakra and it will have similar ap to me. Like when I kick I'm using a small percentage in the first place and it still carries my ap.
C. The juubi has far more chakra than code. Code chakra is jut more potent. If code potency is 1000 and his chakra is 100 and the juubi potency is 100 with chakra of 1000 then giving him 10 of code chakra with a potency of relatively 1000 that's gonna fuse into a real beast.
D. I'm not sure you understand claw marks. Claw marks are fusion of codes chakra, blood and iron from him. Of course fusing those things on 10 tails would result in not just code chakra but his genetic make himself affecting them. Mind you code himself has ben genetically altered by shibai cells and karma or ishikki essence. So what altered them is basically code essence, ishikki essence and shibai dna
Next time skip the remarks and just argue...
Almost forgot kurama. Yea being a piece of 10 tails doesn't apply any longer. Dude has been altered by six path chakra (yes he has case and point gaara retaining shukaku trait even after being separated from him. It shows stay long enough and both of you alter each other, they are 2 souls in one body obviously it affects). Kurama himself has as good or eve better feats than thé 10 tails himself (fighting and defeating a golem powered by toneri). I mean dude is strong enough to be his own god tree that can suck the earth dry.
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Pretty sure he's just joking. Hill level Bleach is a known meme.
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Multihillversal+
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It’s pretty basic that in Naruto 2+2 doesn’t always equal 4. There are situations where combining two abilities creates something far greater than the sum of their individual powers. For example, techniques like Majestic Attire Susano’o, Fused Momoshiki’s strength, or Naruto’s Baryon Mode are on a whole different level compared to the sum of the separate powers they originate from.
You can’t even compare the Ten-Tails from the war arc to a fully complete version. The Ten-Tails in the war arc was only in its third form and still incomplete. If it were as complete as you suggest, then Juubito would be Low 5-B.
not a bad name
I won’t address the rest of your points because they stem from a place of ignorance. The assumptions you’ve made and the reasoning you “thought” were accurate are fundamentally flawed.
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According to Boruto, it was Code's Chakra via the Claw Grimes per Chapter 6.
Not the Karma.
And I am correcting you, Boruto states its Code's Chakra via the Claw Grime.
I believe you misinterpreted the scene, Boruto directly states what triggered the evolution was Code's own Chakra via the Claw Grimes.
Karma doesn't affect the Divine Trees, Boruto states that Karma affects Code and Codes Chakra is what affected the Divine Tree.
Exactly, they're fighting a weaker Ten Tails.
Sasuke confirms in Chapter 38 of Boruto that it's a "juvenile" Ten Tails as it's much smaller than their own Ten Tails they faced.
Uhh, yes it was?
Chapter 72 of Boruto, Code confirms the Claw Grimes are simply the Ten Tail's Chakra divided.
Am I the only one who reads this manga, please we are literally told the Claw Grimes are simply the Ten Tails' Chakra divided.
In Boruto Two Vortex Chapter 5 we are then told by Eida that the Divine Trees are simply the Chakra of the Claw Grimes (the divided Ten Tails' Chakra) and the Chakra of the devoured target:
Read above, the Divine Trees are made from Code's Chakra (per Boruto's statement), the Ten Tails' Chakra (per Code's statement and actions), and the Devoured Target's Chakra (per Eida's statement).
Per Jura's own statement, they did not evolve out of power nor Chakra, they evolved out of self-awareness thanks to Code giving it to them through his Chakra:
Seriously, are any of you reading this manga because this is all directly stated to us.
Bleach is fine, Arc is doing very well. Can't say the same here.
I pretty much addressed your entire rebuttal with evidence.
See, I actually like and appreciate this analogy, but unfortunately this is disproven in the series.
We know Juubito has more Chakra and potency than the Juubi with Madara being even more superior.
Sasuke then confirms for us that Kaguya far surpassed Madara.
You can see where the train is going.
Naruto has, not Kurama. Kurama is still a Bijuu that revives as seen with Himawari
These are wild baseless claims.
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Peak right here
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Every other Bleach supporter
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Deceived and Arcker and Bastalon and ReaperandBlues are my Squad 0 rnEvery other Bleach supporter
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Because just like in Naruto, the Ten-Tails itself doesn’t have full control of its power. It’s literally the same reason why Juubito and Six Paths Madara are > The Juubi by itself.
Higher level of sentience = Higher level of “Chakra Control” = Higher Power Output.
When you have legitimate arguments. What you said before is Naruto 101.
Code was in Base, not using Karma. Obviously Base Code is > Rinnegone Sasuke, but NOT* enough for Sasuke to be considered fodder w/o using Karma.
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you can have a form that makes better use of your powers
simple, not everything requires immense mental gymnastics
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Also, I just want to say, it’s kinda rude to insult the work Slayer, Tracer, Nierre, Shadow, Net, etc have put into fixing these profiles and whatnot. Naruto on wiki is not in a bad spot at all. In fact I’d say the profiles, far from perfect, are blatantly just doing better and of higher quality than they were years ago (same with Bleach, work there is far from over too). Put some respect on the goats revising this verse 
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the edit is sending me lmaooo
i can understand how bro felt
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Nah.Also, I just want to say, it’s kinda rude to insult the work Slayer, Tracer, Nierre, Shadow, Net, etc have put into fixing these profiles and whatnot. Naruto on wiki is not in a bad spot at all. In fact I’d say the profiles, far from perfect, are blatantly just doing better and of higher quality than they were years ago (same with Bleach, work there is far from over too). Put some respect on the goats revising this verse
Let the conversation burn!
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1. Don't know what you were reading coz boruto word for word mentioned ishikki karma as an important factor.According to Boruto, it was Code's Chakra via the Claw Grimes per Chapter 6.
Not the Karma.
And I am correcting you, Boruto states its Code's Chakra via the Claw Grime.
I believe you misinterpreted the scene, Boruto directly states what triggered the evolution was Code's own Chakra via the Claw Grimes.
Karma doesn't affect the Divine Trees, Boruto states that Karma affects Code and Codes Chakra is what affected the Divine Tree.
Exactly, they're fighting a weaker Ten Tails.
Sasuke confirms in Chapter 38 of Boruto that it's a "juvenile" Ten Tails as it's much smaller than their own Ten Tails they faced.
Uhh, yes it was?
Chapter 72 of Boruto, Code confirms the Claw Grimes are simply the Ten Tail's Chakra divided.
Am I the only one who reads this manga, please we are literally told the Claw Grimes are simply the Ten Tails' Chakra divided.
In Boruto Two Vortex Chapter 5 we are then told by Eida that the Divine Trees are simply the Chakra of the Claw Grimes (the divided Ten Tails' Chakra) and the Chakra of the devoured target:
Read above, the Divine Trees are made from Code's Chakra (per Boruto's statement), the Ten Tails' Chakra (per Code's statement and actions), and the Devoured Target's Chakra (per Eida's statement).
Per Jura's own statement, they did not evolve out of power nor Chakra, they evolved out of self-awareness thanks to Code giving it to them through his Chakra:
Seriously, are any of you reading this manga because this is all directly stated to us.
Bleach is fine, Arc is doing very well. Can't say the same here.
I pretty much addressed your entire rebuttal with evidence.
See, I actually like and appreciate this analogy, but unfortunately this is disproven in the series.
We know Juubito has more Chakra and potency than the Juubi with Madara being even more superior.
Sasuke then confirms for us that Kaguya far surpassed Madara.
You can see where the train is going.
Naruto has, not Kurama. Kurama is still a Bijuu that revives as seen with Himawari
These are wild baseless claims.
2. You are actually not just reading what shadow said. Like fr bro he is saying he nor the series never claims they are the sum of code fulls chakra and 10 tails. Like they are the sum of 10 tail but not code.
3. No we actually don't know juubito has more chakra than the juubi. Please drop scans. Madara has a statement for stronger sage energy coz he had a more complete version. Like I'm not disputing more chakra gives you more ap I'm just saying when you form a jutsu you use a percentage of your chakra. So for example someone with 20% of your chakra could still output as much ap as you howbeit less stamina. And code definitely doesn't have more chakra than the 10 tails.
More examples momo has less chakra than narto but just about same potency.
4. Did I say he is no longer a bijuu? He has feats as good as the 10 tails and has clearly come in contact with six pat chakra and we have been given example of how bijuu and jinjuriki can alter each other if they cohabitate for a long time.. it's not hard to put the pieces together
5. Ah yes the whole momoshiki arc of kurama being the chakra he needs to plant his own god tree is just one big head canon
This is becoming a case of the justification are staring at you but you just don't like it so you call it ass and refuse to invalidate it. I'm not gonna confuse you. Call it ass, you're free
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“Are any of you reading this manga” I respect you as a Naruto OG and all but attempting to dog**** on our faces and the work put in like we don’t know what we’re doing is extremely insulting.
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where did alt go? i thought he was gonna do low 2-C naruto
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he's one of the people in the basement that spoke too much and as a result became permanently imprisoned while Slayer, net and others get to come outside for air and water once a day
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Realized the RtN arguments were ass
