One-Punch Man: The Destruction of Boros' Ship

[Shadow_x007x]

In the current power scaling, Boros is classified as High 6-A based on the durability of his spaceship, which withstood the impact of Saitama's jump from the moon. Yet, Boros managed to destroy his throne room, which was described as extremely durable. Let’s analyze this in depth using principles of physics.

When Saitama jumped from the moon and landed on the ship, the energy he generated was distributed throughout the ship’s structure.

This process involves several key physical principles:

1. Energy Transmission in a System
When Saitama’s impact occurred, kinetic energy was transferred to the spaceship’s framework. However, this energy did not remain localized; instead, it was transmitted in the form of mechanical waves. These waves propagated through the ship's structure, spreading the energy over a larger volume.

2. Wave Attenuation (Damping)
As the mechanical waves travel, their intensity diminishes due to energy dissipation. This phenomenon, known as damping, occurs because some of the wave’s energy is converted into heat or absorbed by the material.

The result is that by the time the waves reached various parts of the ship, including the throne room, their intensity was significantly reduced.

3. Stress Distribution Across a Large Area
The energy of Saitama’s landing was distributed across the entire ship. The forces acting on any single structural element of the ship were significantly reduced due to the wide distribution. This lowered the localized stress on individual components, making catastrophic failure less likely despite the immense total energy involved.

In contrast, Boros’s destruction of the throne room involved a completely different mechanism. Instead of distributing energy, Boros concentrated his force onto a small area, leading to localized structural failure.

1. Stress and Strain Relationship
Stress is defined as the force applied per unit area:
Boros's attack applied force to a small, localized region of the throne room. This concentrated stress exceeded the material’s ultimate tensile strength (UTS), causing structural failure.

2. Localized Energy Application
Unlike Saitama, Boros did not rely on spreading his energy across the structure. Instead, he delivered his energy to a specific, small surface area. This approach allowed him to exploit the material’s weak points, inducing failure through localized overloading.

3. Material Response to High Stress
When the stress exceeds the material’s strength, it can fail through mechanisms such as cracking, shearing, or fracturing. This is true even for materials designed to withstand immense forces, as in the case of the throne room.

Counterarguments and Responses:
Q: Isn’t the throne room more durable than other parts of the ship?
A: While the throne room is indeed described as more durable, material failure occurs when stress exceeds the material’s strength, regardless of overall durability. Boros’s focused attack created stress levels beyond the material’s resistance, causing it to fail.

Q: Why didn’t Saitama’s energy cause significant damage?
A: Saitama’s energy was distributed across the entire structure. This wide distribution reduced the localized stress below the threshold needed to cause material failure.

Conclusion:

Boros’s feat demonstrates how localized energy application and stress concentration can overcome even highly durable materials. This does not require Boros to generate as much energy as Saitama; rather, it highlights the efficiency of his energy usage. In contrast, Saitama’s energy, while immense, was distributed too widely to induce localized failure.

Boros Scaling Tier: At least 7-C, possibly 6-C | At least 6-B, far higher with Energy Blasts | At least 6-B, High 6-A with Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon

Ap: At least Town level, possibly Island level (As the most powerful member of the Dark Matter Thieves, he should be superior to Melzargard, Groribas and Geryuganshoop) | At least Country level (Was considered strong by Saitama, although he couldn't answer whether Gouketsu was strong or not), far higher with Energy Bullets (Releases more energy from his body than his normal attacks. Turned a large portion of his spaceship to dust) | At least Country level (Combines the power of his strikes with the latent energy used for energy bullets, allowing a single hit from this state to cause as much damage as the energy bullet from his previous form. Saitama regarded him as almost being a real fight, later describing him as strong and maybe even the strongest person he'd ever faced at that point), Multi-Continent level with Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon (Expends all of his latent energy into an ultimate attack. Stated that this attack would be able to ruin the surface of Earth)

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Honestly, this all seems like some kind of speculation.

Saitama jumped onto the ship. Impact force High 6-A. The ship received minor damage from the jump. Boros caused major damage.

That's all. Speculations based on stress level make no sense to me and sound like trying to stretch an owl onto a globe.

 

[Damage3245]

The Tiers in the keys and the ratings in the AP do not match up in your conclusion.

 

[MrTayman616]

(About the last thread) "Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon" should get "at least" for it's value rather than a straight value since the lowest value avaible is used and it's seemingly way higher than the current value.
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Also i agree that this seems like a speculation.

We could also say that based on this statement, It's actually difficult for Tatsumaki to bring down the ship. and there is Boros who causes the ship major damage many times, making him scale to Tatsumaki.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I completely support the main idea of the thread. Boros scaling to Saitamas jump from the ships durability is nonsense.

Honestly, this all seems like some kind of speculation.
That's all. Speculations based on stress level make no sense to me and sound like trying to stretch an owl onto a globe.

Also i agree that this seems like a speculation.

It's not actually speculation.
Saitamas jump clearly affected the entire ship as it literally tilted as a result of his jump while creating a giant hole where Saitama landed.


Boros on the other hand only affected a specific portion of the ship. To give you a real life comparison, imagine you kick the door off a car from the inside while I kick the entire car away 20 meters and create a huge dent. Obviously my kick is stronger because it didn't just affect the door but the entire car.

Another example would be stabbing someone vs punching someone 10 meters away. Obviously the first feat is something even a little child can do while the second feat is something not even professional athletes can do and even a car might struggle to do so.

So what this all means is that Saitamas energy was far more distributed across the entire ship and STILL caused immense damage while Boros only affected a very small specific portion of the ship.

We could also say that based on this statement, It's actually difficult for Tatsumaki to bring down the ship. and there is Boros who causes the ship major damage many times, making him scale to Tatsumaki.

Can you pinpoint the specific statement? There's a lot in that link you sent.

Either way, it wouldn't make Boros scale to Saitamas jump like he does now + what's more important is that Boros doesn't scale to the destruction of his ship.

 

[MrTayman616]

I completely support the main idea of the thread. Boros scaling to Saitamas jump from the ships durability is nonsense.


It's not actually speculation.
Saitamas jump clearly affected the entire ship as it literally tilted as a result of his jump while creating a giant hole where Saitama landed.


Boros on the other hand only affected a specific portion of the ship. To give you a real life comparison, imagine you kick the door off a car from the inside while I kick the entire car away 20 meters and create a huge dent. Obviously my kick is stronger because it didn't just affect the door but the entire car.

Another example would be stabbing someone vs punching someone 10 meters away. Obviously the first feat is something even a little child can do while the second feat is something not even professional athletes can do and even a car might struggle to do so.

So what this all means is that Saitamas energy was far more distributed across the entire ship and STILL caused immense damage while Boros only affected a very small specific portion of the ship.

Can you pinpoint the specific statement? There's a lot in that link you sent.

Either way, it wouldn't make Boros scale to Saitamas jump like he does now + what's more important is that Boros doesn't scale to the destruction of his ship.

okay.

I don't think we see Saitama's jump causing any major damage to the ship, though we see it pushing the ship into the ground even while the gravity sphere is active.

 

[DavidTPPM]

okay.

Idk if it's a me issue but the link just keeps sending me to the start of the page and not a specific part where they talk about the Tatsumaki thing.

I don't think we see Saitama's jump causing any major damage to the ship, though we see it pushing the ship into the ground even while the gravity sphere is active.

It leaves a giant hole in the ship and completely tilts it sideways.

Main point is that Saitama very visibly affects the ship far more and in a completely different way than Boros, making him scaling to the jump using their ship related feats completely unreliable. It's like saying a car only broke my ribs and blasted me 20 meters away while a 5 year old stabbed me in the stomach so the 5 year old kid scales to a full speed car

 

[DavidTPPM]

Also another direct defeater should be the direct comparison between Boros and Saitamas kick.

MB Boros kicking Saitama to the moon caused nowhere near the damage Saitama did by jumping off of it.

 

[MrTayman616]

just sending it here if the link doesn't work "The animation team misinterpreted ONE’s intentions when animating the Ancient King fight. ONE only wanted Tatsumaki to drop a big boulder on Ancient King. Before the boulder hits him, Ancient King has a flashback of the meteor that destroyed his race eons ago and starts to scream. She was not supposed to pull a meteor from space, if she could do that, she should be able to bring down Boros's ship without difficulty. The meteor scene was supposed to be flashback only.

Also another direct defeater should be the direct comparison between Boros and Saitamas kick.

MB Boros kicking Saitama to the moon caused nowhere near the damage Saitama did by jumping off of it.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I don't think the ship's durability scaling to Tatsumaki's full power would make sense at all. As she was capable of causing massive damage to the ship itself.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

"At least 6-B" would be "At least Country level", not Continent level.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

The Tiers in the keys and the ratings in the AP do not match up in your conclusion.

Why do you think the Op thing doesn't match up with the current Boros scaling? We can see more clearly in Boros's durability section, where it's stated that he has more durability than the ship, and in the Ap section, it's stated in his key 2 scaling to Ap.

"At least 6-B" would be "At least Country level", not Continent level.

Sorry, I fixed it.

 

[Second22]

This person is the true enemy of Boros fan.

 

[MrTayman616]

Why do you think the Op thing doesn't match up with the current Boros scaling? We can see more clearly in Boros's durability section, where it's stated that he has more durability than the ship, and in the Ap section, it's stated in his key 2 scaling to Ap.

Sorry, I fixed it.

he was talking about continent level veing 6-B there i guess

 

[Shadow_x007x]

This person is the true enemy of Boros fan.

You slandered me

 

[DavidTPPM]

just sending it here if the link doesn't work "The animation team misinterpreted ONE’s intentions when animating the Ancient King fight. ONE only wanted Tatsumaki to drop a big boulder on Ancient King. Before the boulder hits him, Ancient King has a flashback of the meteor that destroyed his race eons ago and starts to scream. She was not supposed to pull a meteor from space, if she could do that, she should be able to bring down Boros's ship without difficulty. The meteor scene was supposed to be flashback only.

So uhm, the ship isn't even meteor level.
Town level Boros ship confirmed

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Town level Boros ship confirmed

When is the debunk coming?

 

[Damage3245]

Anyway; I agree with the OP.

 

[MrTayman616]

So uhm, the ship isn't even meteor level.

Or a massive one with higher speed than the original meteor. or the gravity sphere itself isn't that powerful and the ship isn't down because they are attacking from below.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Or a massive one with higher speed than the original meteor. or the gravity sphere itself isn't that powerful and the ship isn't down because they are attacking from below.

This is all speculation.

 

[MrTayman616]

This is all speculation.

I'm just fighting against the "oh inevitable fate" :d

 

[Shadow_x007x]

This is all speculation.

What do you think about this Op now?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm unsure how we could compare and contrast ISL given that Saitama's jump is where the force started. But Boros clearly broke parts of the ship harder than Saitama's casual jump did; and it wasn't merely because the shockwave of Saitama's jump was more widespread. The initial landing would still start as highly precise amounts of KE.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I'm unsure how we could compare and contrast ISL given that Saitama's jump is where the force started. But Boros clearly broke parts of the ship harder than Saitama's casual jump did; and it wasn't merely because the shockwave of Saitama's jump was more widespread.

He didn't tho…? Saitama hit, damaged, and tilted the entire ship. Boros broke apart few walls by directly attacking them and only them.

Both damaged different parts of the ship in a completely different way. Drawing a conclusion between them is, like I said, like scaling a 5 year old to a speeding car.

Another example would be stabbing someone vs punching someone 10 meters away. Obviously the first feat is something even a little child can do while the second feat is something not even professional athletes can do and even a car might struggle to do so.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I heavily disagree with some of the reasoning. I could explained this, but I'm way too tired to argue this and it doesn't matter in the end as I actually don't mind if we remove the ship scaling at all. As I said I do have a big problem with something in the OP but I'd only be nitpicking at that point so I won't say anything more than this.

Boros' Meteoric Burst kick not inflicting similar damage to the moon is very damning to me. That's a very clear difference in power, it shows Saitama's jump is far superior to Boros' kick. If Boros' kick to Saitama was meant to be equal or vastly greater than the moon jump as the profile says, it would've been shown as such.

I'm not saying Boros cannot be High 6-A because Saitama's impact onto the moon only produced a small crater. If he had a reason for being High 6-A outside of the moon jump I wouldn't even bring this up. The issue here is that the High 6-A feat he's scaling to is clearly portrayed as being stronger than his Meteoric Burst attack.

Yet for some reason we're scaling his Power Sealed and Released Key to this value? And you cannot say the energy Saitama had when he hit the moon was lesser, because I can throw that around and say the energy Saitama had when he hit the ship was also lesser than his jump off of the moon.

I don't believe either is true, since we're dealing with power/speed so high that human weight and air friction doesn't mean anything to them. But I had to make that clear.

The moon kick and jump are pretty much the same feat but in a reverse order, yet their impacts on the moon are vastly different.

I see this as the equivalent of two characters punching a wall and one does vastly more damage to the wall than the other.

I agree that Boros shouldn't be scaling to the moon jump feat and I agree with the suggested values in the OP.

This is all I'll say on the matter, feel free to agree or disagree with me. I'm not in the mood to defend or further explain any of my points.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

I'm unsure how we could compare and contrast ISL given that Saitama's jump is where the force started. But Boros clearly broke parts of the ship harder than Saitama's casual jump did; and it wasn't merely because the shockwave of Saitama's jump was more widespread. The initial landing would still start as highly precise amounts of KE.

Not really. Saitama's jump creates a large gap on the ship and can it to tilt, and that happens in one hit, but Boros' numerous attacks on the ship have no such effect.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I agree with removing Boros' moon jump scaling.

 

[EnderLord8]

Yay, another Boros Downgrade for the collection, what a nice Christmas present... Sigh, are people targeting him on purpose?

Well, I guess it will then go back to 6-B hell for now, as I currently don't have time to develop something for it.

However, I ask that when you make changes to Boros profile, you remove the matches, which at this point will be out of date.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

I think the thread has come to a conclusion. At least most of the staff still agree that Boros will not scale with Saitama's jump.

 

[EnderLord8]

Before this topic closes, I'll just point out two flaws in the arguments used:

1-In David's argument, he pointed out that the jump made a huge hole in the ship, but this ends up being a bit flawed because a few panels later it shows Saitama coming out of a much smaller hole, like I'd say at most 2 meters;

and

2-As for the comparison of the effect on the moon, it's also not 100% logical because it's arguable that Boros didn't hit the moon directly, but Saitama was directly on the moon when he jumped, making the damage something direct.

 

[NikHelton]

I absolutely agree with the author. Scaling Boros to the strength of a ship has always seemed strange and strained. I am also glad that the scaling of Boros relative to Psykos and Orochi has been removed.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

I finished editing his profile (but I didn't delete the match). You can close this thread if you want.

This should be the last thread on my Boros downgrade, I think.

 

[NikHelton]

Before this topic closes, I'll just point out two flaws in the arguments used:

1-In David's argument, he pointed out that the jump made a huge hole in the ship, but this ends up being a bit flawed because a few panels later it shows Saitama coming out of a much smaller hole, like I'd say at most 2 meters;

Great, in this case we can do a total revision of the size of Sage and ENO, because we have a lot of scans where they are much smaller. In art, the size of damage is often unstable.

and

2-As for the comparison of the effect on the moon, it's also not 100% logical because it's arguable that Boros didn't hit the moon directly, but Saitama was directly on the moon when he jumped, making the damage something direct.

If the Moon wasn't badly damaged because it was affected by Saitama's kinetic energy, and not by Boros' kick itself, then how can we say that the ship took on the energy of Saitama's jump, and not his kinetic energy?

 

[Shadow_x007x]

1-In David's argument, he pointed out that the jump made a huge hole in the ship, but this ends up being a bit flawed because a few panels later it shows Saitama coming out of a much smaller hole, like I'd say at most 2 meters;

I don't think so. The hole created is definitely huge, but in the next panel we see it looks smaller, maybe it's the camera angle or something. However, Saitama's jump deals significantly more damage than any of Boros' attacks. His spaceship tilts right after Saitama lands, which none of Boros' attacks could do.

2-As for the comparison of the effect on the moon, it's also not 100% logical because it's arguable that Boros didn't hit the moon directly, but Saitama was directly on the moon when he jumped, making the damage something direct.

I think this should give you the answer.

And you cannot say the energy Saitama had when he hit the moon was lesser, because I can throw that around and say the energy Saitama had when he hit the ship was also lesser than his jump off of the moon.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Before this topic closes, I'll just point out two flaws in the arguments used:

1-In David's argument, he pointed out that the jump made a huge hole in the ship, but this ends up being a bit flawed because a few panels later it shows Saitama coming out of a much smaller hole, like I'd say at most 2 meters;

Many issues here.
1. We can't actually see the depth of the hole in the later panels.
2. There's no reason to focuses solely on the smaller hole panels, so this would at best prove the damage he did was shown inconsistently, still debunking the ships durability scaling to it.
3. That's not even the main argument. The main argument is the fact Saitamas jump affected the WHOLE ship while Boros only ever affected small portions such as individual walls or the surface.

2-As for the comparison of the effect on the moon, it's also not 100% logical because it's arguable that Boros didn't hit the moon directly, but Saitama was directly on the moon when he jumped, making the damage something direct.

Saitama hit the moon directly with Saitamas body. Hell if anything Saitamas body hitting the moon should do far more damage than him just jumping off the moon as if you throw a ball it does much less damage to your hand than catching a ball like that.

Generally, any potential arguments trying to excuse the difference in DC here directly work against the feat as well so there's not much arguing against it imo.

 

[EnderLord8]

Great, in this case we can do a total revision of the size of Sage and ENO, because we have a lot of scans where they are much smaller. In art, the size of damage is often unstable.

If the Moon wasn't badly damaged because it was affected by Saitama's kinetic energy, and not by Boros' kick itself, then how can we say that the ship took on the energy of Saitama's jump, and not his kinetic energy?

I don't think so. The hole created is definitely huge, but in the next panel we see it looks smaller, maybe it's the camera angle or something. However, Saitama's jump deals significantly more damage than any of Boros' attacks. His spaceship tilts right after Saitama lands, which none of Boros' attacks could do.

I think this should give you the answer.

Many issues here.
1. We can't actually see the depth of the hole in the later panels.
2. There's no reason to focuses solely on the smaller hole panels, so this would at best prove the damage he did was shown inconsistently, still debunking the ships durability scaling to it.
3. That's not even the main argument. The main argument is the fact Saitamas jump affected the WHOLE ship while Boros only ever affected small portions such as individual walls or the surface.

Saitama hit the moon directly with Saitamas body. Hell if anything Saitamas body hitting the moon should do far more damage than him just jumping off the moon as if you throw a ball it does much less damage to your hand than catching a ball like that.

Generally, any potential arguments trying to excuse the difference in DC here directly work against the feat as well so there's not much arguing against it imo.

My god bro, I'm not raising a real argument, I'm just pointing out that the reasoning isn't 100%

No need to answer me, this is not a real opposition

Either way, why not remove matches from Boros profile?

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Is there a conclusion to this thread?

Anyway, I sure with the op. It never made sense to me to scale Boros to the Moon Jump.

 

[Golden_Void]

I agree with this; I've said this 50 different ways over the last few years, and I always get argued down.

Outside of the math, we visually see the common sense drawn on the page. MB Boros's kick barely created a crater on the moon. Saitama made a country-wide crater with continent-sized shockwaves. This alone means the power from Saitama's jump would liquify Boros if Saitama landed on him.

Saitama's landing vaporized a few layers of the ship that he landed on, and vaporization is a far higher destruction value than fragmentation of any type. Even with that, he had far more layers of material under him than just the simple throne room door and some pillars, which means that energy is dispersed over a far more massive area. The argument from the beginning is flawed when we're not even considering a uniform volume of material to compare against.

They both punched their way from the throne room to the ship's surface. If we're using the ship as a measuring stick, then none of the fight makes sense.

 

[Damage3245]

Pretty sure the thread can be applied, if it hasn't already been.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah this has been applied a while ago. So long ago in fact that I've seen people cry about it on reddit already