➢ ωнαт тнєяє ιѕ ƒυη ιη мαкιηg ѕєηѕє? Discord Minor Additions #1

[ArzCosmos_888]

I set out to do this almost a year ago, so better late than never I guess...?

Straight to the point.

Passive.

★ Death Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Curse Manipulation and Existence Erasure: He cursed a mirror into the "Mirror of Mayhem" by inducing a bit of its essence and magic into a mirror, which is capable of altering probabilities, bringing bad luck and disaster wherever it goes, causing severe damage and passively inducing death to several of its owners. The Mirror of Mayhem ultimately destroyed a town as if it had never existed.
★ Instinctive Action: Chaosville has a security system to attack, counteract and neutralize entities or beings that do not belong to the dimension or are not Discord himself.
★ Attack Reflection (Chaos): As Accord tanked a blast from the Elements of Harmony, he empowered himself with the magic and reflected its effects throughout Equestria.
★ Large Size (Type 0): Doubles the size of Princess Celestia.
★ Superhuman Precision and Weapon Mastery: Captain Wuzz have an incredible archery accuracy. Seen here.

Mobility.

★ Underground Mobility: Seen here.
★ Free Movement: He can lie on clouds.

Activated.

★ Size Manipulation: He can shrink or grow. His magic can make others grow to colossal magnitudes. Discord could grow to the same size as Cosmos, which can be larger than buildings. He can be as small like this. Comparable to Ceridwen, who used her magic to make Huginn grow to gigantic size until to bring down a whole kingdom

• Small Size (Type 2): He could shrink to a similar size to beings like the Parasprites.
• Large Size (at least Type 2): He could grow to a larger size than beings like the Dragons.

★ Power Mimicry: He copied and used Emperor Grogar's abilities, magic and powers.
★ Age Manipulation: Reduced the age of some cats. Ability only known by the high level sorcerers.
★ Alternate Future Display: He showed Applejack an unfortunate future. He also did the same with Rainbow Dash.
★ Omnilinguism: Via Common Ground, that allows one creature and another understand each other, regardless of language and way of thinking.
★ Cyborgization (Full): He can turn himself and others into Autobots. Turned Sweetie Belle into Sweetie Bot.
★ Acid Manipulation: In one of her attempts to get the CMCs to get their cutie marks, he creates a vat of acid.
★ Thread Manipulation: Can move his creations through threads.

 

[ShionAH]

Those are not passives

 

[ArzCosmos_888]

Those are not passives

A passive ability is an automatic and instantaneous mechanic/attack that does not use, require or expend energy to be used unlike active attacks, which in the context of MLP would be spells. Chaos Magic underlies everything he can effectively execute in reality, and is an extension of Discord itself.

The Mirror of Mayhem is literally made up of Chaos Magic and maintains a bit of Discord's own original consciousness. The mirror is described as having "rotten luck" in possessing this type of magic and induced the death to one of its owners just by looking at her reflection, basically an insta-kill.

When the mirror was destroyed, it released all the magic induced there that completely disappeared a town and the harbor lighthouse (Confirmed at the end, when it is revealed that the lighthouse the Mane Five entered never really existed).

Actually, I would agree to change the EE and the Curse Manip to Activated Abilities, but Death Manip and Probability Manip remain passive.

 

[ShionAH]

This implies that Discord passively induces death and other abilities at all times. Which is a horribly inconsistent, it would not be a passive for Discord but the mirror itself

 

[ArzCosmos_888]

This implies that Discord passively induces death and other abilities at all times. Which is a horribly inconsistent, it would not be a passive for Discord but the mirror itself

Actually, no, It is not inconsistent and is the next topic to be discussed in the next thread.
Also, Chaos Magic denies the logic and the principles it evaluates, which governs all universal and space-time concepts (Among them, the Probability and Causality, something that is already included in his profile but was not better elaborated) and more explanations and blah blah blah which will be appropriately addressed in its respective thread.

 

[ShionAH]

Its a passive for the mirror, unless there is a scan of Discord passively erasing and killing beings I dont see any reason to continue this argument

Hell this would imply most if not all Ponies resist the chaos hax, which is hella dumb

 

[ArzCosmos_888]

Its a passive for the mirror, unless there is a scan of Discord passively erasing and killing beings I dont see any reason to continue this argument.

The thing you don't seem to understand is that it's not the mirror, it's literally part of Discord's essence stuck in there. Unless you're arguing that the mirror itself induces death and interferes with probability, which is even more incoherent. The whole nature and danger of the mirror is that it contains Chaos Magic, it is the same Chaos Magic that causes all the disasters.

Hell this would imply most if not all Ponies resist the chaos hax, which is hella dumb

Not really.

 

[ShionAH]

The thing you don't seem to understand is that it's not the mirror, it's literally part of Discord's essence stuck in there. Unless you're arguing that the mirror itself induces death and interferes with probability, which is even more incoherent. The whole nature and danger of the mirror is that it contains Chaos Magic, it is the same Chaos Magic that causes all the disasters.

Its Discords essence doing it through the mirror, we dont know if that implies Discord himself emits this all the time.

Not really.

Yes it fcking does, if its a passive ability for Discord being able to literally stay alive or be normal around him would need a resistance. Which is awful and extremely inconsistent.

I am fine with the abilities but not about it being passives since Discord very much does not passively emit death.

 

[ArzCosmos_888]

Its Discords essence doing it through the mirror, we dont know if that implies Discord himself emits this all the time.

???
In the context of the story, Discord was sealed by the Stone Sleep Spell and his Chaos Magic was countered by the Elements of Harmony and the combined powers of Tia and Luna.
His abstract essence was contained within his own petrified physical body so he could barely wander extracorporeal with his consciousness.
It wasn't until he found a way to continue causing chaos and confusion by cursing the mirror by putting a bit of his essence into it, his objective was to cause as much damage as possible.
Since all his abilities and powers come from Chaos Magic, it would be illogical to assume that his passive DM is only applicable to the Mirror of Mayhem since Discord is the one who makes everything. If Chaos Magic performs an insta-kill on a character by simply looking in the mirror then it's passive as it is not a feat that requires energy to be activated. Discord has it in his arsenal since Chaos Magic is a fundamental part of his existence. Discord aimed to cause the biggest damage (in this case, death) and it came automatically, the pirate died instantly after using the mirror and the entire ship sank. Yes, it's passive. It's basically an auto-win.

Yes it fcking does, if its a passive ability for Discord being able to literally stay alive or be normal around him would need a resistance. Which is awful and extremely inconsistent.

This is based on absolutely nothing, Discord's physical body does not emit Chaos Magic, otherwise the entire reality would collapse every time he appeared on scene. His magic is inherent to his abstract and incorporeal essence and is located within the avatars/manifestations (This is why both his physical body and his astral form can use Chaos Magic). Discord controls his magic in such a way that it cannot cause real danger to his environment or the characters around him. If he don't controls it, logic and sense would cease to exist and everything would fall into absurd subjectivism and unbridled surrealism.
Discord voluntarily restricts his own Magic (since he is redeemed for a reason). The case with the mirror is different, since here Discord was determined to cause destruction, so it would make no sense for him to hold back. His goal was to cause chaos at all costs, even if it meant taking the lives of innocents, shown when he wiped out a town and all its inhabitants.

 

[ShionAH]

Card says Discord is not causing Chaos by not snapping his fingers. Nothing anout limiting his own powers, if I had a hammer and didnt bash your head it would be self control but it would not mean I am somehow making my hammer squishy.

 

[ArzCosmos_888]

Card says Discord is not causing Chaos by not snapping his fingers. Nothing anout limiting his own powers, if I had a hammer and didnt bash your head it would be self control but it would not mean I am somehow making my hammer squishy.

Yes, that's literally what I'm explaining. I never mentioned anything about "limiting his own powers" lol, since I'd be assuming that Discord constantly nullifies his own power so as not to endanger anyone.

I said that Discord voluntarily restricts his own Magic since he handles it perfectly and he decides what to do with it, that necessarily implies that he does not manifest it or use it to cause intentional damage, so basically the rest of the characters around him are "safe".
This is a completely different case from when he was in Mirror of Mayhem, since in that situation he practically wanted to cause damage to everyone and he didn't care who was affected as long as it caused trouble.

But what about the other times where Discord has unleashed his chaos magic all over Equestria and no one died?
That doesn't contradict anything either, Discord himself doesn't really like the idea of directly killing everyone when he has control of the situation and intends to have fun, after all it is chaotic. Iirc this aligns with what the writers have said about him, as they stated that Discord could have murdered the Mane Six if he were evil.

I see no reason to remove Death Manipulation from his passive abilities, Discord doesn't have to cast any spell or snap his fingers to perform it, because it was literally an automatic attack, an insta-kill. In any case, I would agree that Discord does not like to actively kill and therefore only uses it at specific moments when he wants to damage others or wants to achieve a goal at all costs, since he would not be holding back with the ability to do so.

 

[ArzCosmos_888]

Bump.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

This all looks good to me. Not gonna get involved in the passive vs activated argument though cause I have no clue.

 

[Robo432343]

yeah idk about passives but the abilities itself are fine

 

[FinePoint]

I don't have a problem with any of these abilities being noted as specific applications of his reality warping.

As for passive vs active, I agree with ShionAH.

Discord created the mirror, including its ability, by imparting part of himself.

But this only proves that he's capable of that ability, not that he's always using it, even if the resulting creation is.

 

[ArzCosmos_888]

I don't have a problem with any of these abilities being noted as specific applications of his reality warping.

As for passive vs active, I agree with ShionAH.

Discord created the mirror, including its ability, by imparting part of himself.

But this only proves that he's capable of that ability, not that he's always using it, even if the resulting creation is.

About that. I'm seriously thinking about adding anotha Discord key that covers MofM's feats as independent of the Draconequus itself, or adding it into his armory (Whatever it's stated as appropriated).
However, the point is the same, do you see the cursed mirror having the passive (Death and Prob) or not?

 

[ArzCosmos_888]

Bump.

 

[FinePoint]

About that. I'm seriously thinking about adding anotha Discord key that covers MofM's feats as independent of the Draconequus itself, or adding it into his armory (Whatever it's stated as appropriated).
However, the point is the same, do you see the cursed mirror having the passive (Death and Prob) or not?

The mirror itself, sure.

 

[ArzCosmos_888]

Can the changes be applied now?

 

[ShionAH]

Can the changes be applied now?

Ya need one more staff

 

[FinePoint]

Can the changes be applied now?

Ya need one more staff

Shion is correct, I believe.

 

[ArzCosmos_888]

Shion is correct, I believe.

I totally forgot this ngl.
I'll see what I can do.